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More than likely, the human imagination. So "God" has a cock and balls. I'm waiting for the evidence of "God" and how it's supposed to be the Judeo-Christian "God."

The contradiction lies in that if "God" knows what you will do, then he already knows the decision being placed. Therefore, he would be a tyrant to send someone to hell because the action has already been predestined in "God's" mind It doesn't take a genius to understand this. You gave me a piss-poor example where I showed how it was flawed.

No, the problem is you can't properly fucking think. Do I need to put it in bold? 1. Omniscience = the ability to know everything, PAST, PRESENT, OR FUTURE. 2. This means that God (if it exists) would know every decision that human beings make and the ones they do not make. 3. Therefore, there can be free will in the Christian sense as "God" would already know the choices made before they come to past.

This has nothing with the ability of "God's" perceived ability to do anything but his knowledge of what OUR actions would be. If your "God" knows everything, then your "God" knows what our fates will be and there is no such thing as free will. I don't think you ever clearly understood the topic.

What? There was no contradiction, and if so, point it out. Omniscient - having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things. There's a definition, so my logic is clearly within the query defined.

So "God" is omnipotent but instead invites to limits his own foreknowledge. Dude, this is starting to sound silly on your part, I'm sorry.

Omnipotence is the ability to do anything. Omniscience is the ability to know everything. Where in the hell is a contradiction? This, once again I say, "God" cannot be omniscient.

There are actually contemporary debates on Jesus' existence. It's not a clear yes or no. I don't think you do. Free will is a direct contradiction to the belief that any "God" is omniscient.

Much agreed. I'm sick of this country turning into a fucking global police force where we pretend that we have the absolute truth. I'm ready to get by Bachelor's Degree and become a part of the Teaching Abroad program at my university. Germany here I come!

Many do, just a lot of them do not comment. My apology. Such as? I think you're missing the point entirely. If a "God" knows everything, then he will know WHICH DECISION that the person WILL PICK. It knows all the choices, but in the end knows the DECISION. Where are you not getting this?

Then what makes the Bible anymore legitimate than any other religious text on the face of the Earth? Better yet, what makes Christianity any more legitimate than any other religion on the face of the Earth? Christianity claims the truth, yet you concede this? Why follow the Bible at all? Without it, there would be so Christianity, Judaism, or even Islam. No, if the predicament was that I set up the situation before hand because if I know that a human being was set to make a decision, then there wouldn't be free will. You haven't been in myg0t long I see.

It isn't the idea that it's pitting monotheism against polytheism or anything, it's just showing that it illogical to say "God must have been the beginning."

So why are we dependent on a contradictory book that Christians say is inspired by a perfect "God," yet are confused by these murky details? If it was inspired by "God," and humanity is dependent upon this book to save them from the bowels of hell that Yahweh himself sets up, then why is he not fixing these errors in these books? You say that about the Old Testament but the same can be said for the New Testament. The Gospels contradict themselves repeatedly. That is illogical. If a "God" who knows everything knows what is coming ahead of time, then he knows what choices are available. Not only that, this "God" would know which choice the person would choose in the end, thus negating "free will." It would be predestined. If your "God" allowed free will, then he would placing restrictions on his own actions which is illogical in itself. You're on the myg0t forums, you do know that right?

...how is this fuck winning the GOP? I wanted Paul to be the candidate, but it looks as if I'll be voting Democratic again. Huckabee is a god damn retard and as close to Bush's stupidity I've ever seen. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22484066/

Science isn't a being you retard, it's a human process of understanding the universe around us. Science never created anything. Score one for your stupidity and lack of understanding on that one. If you're going to use that argument, then you must ask the question of what created "God." It's a circular argument you're using.

I'm agnostic. I was a Christian for 14 years and began to notice holes in it. Of course the Christian church either prescribes that the Bible is inerrant or that it's only "Satan," but really? The Bible was constructed by men and arranged by them too. Evolution has a lot more evidence going for it than anything in the Bible does. Tell me... Where's the evidence for the Exodus ever happening? How do you fit 10 billion species Noah's god damned Ark? How did Joshua supposedly stop the sun from spinning in orbit when it's the earth that orbits the sun? How does Christianity explain the paradox of free will and Peter being prophecized of disobeying Jesus? There would be no free will then. That's just some of them. Again, I'm agnostic you dumbass. I'm just sick of Christianity ruining a country when our founding fathers fought so hard to keep it out its policies.

No, Christianity is a religion that encompasses many different denominations, but the fact remains that there were many religions that predated it. The question remains how you still justify that belief when there are so many logical, historical, and scientific holes associated with this religion. Trust me, you're wrong.

Who ever said we came from nothing? Time is a human construct and our universe has a beginning from others. Besides, science has proven life can come from non-life. Look up the Miller-Urey experiment dumbass. Now get your troll ass out of here.

I don't ignore all possibilities but I'm failing to see how you justify it as one particular "God." If you believe in a "God," yet define it as to one religion just because it sounds good to you, then YOU are the close minded one.

...assuming Christianity is the correct religion and if there is such a thing as a correct religion.

You're a fucking troll.

God there's so many trolls now.

Well said :headbang:

I'd find out where Oliver lives and hang his sorry ass.

I've seen too much support for Ron Paul for him not to get elected. If he doesn't, I know once and for all that American politics are rigged and that revolution is necessary, violent if need be. It's in our constitutional rights and I stand ready to defend my friends and family against a tyrannical government.