YHAHahaha I don't fucking care. The point is, I have some 50 year old after my ass for making fun of his dead mommy.

 

 

 

If I were you, I'd just give him the address and pummel his face with a baseball bat when he shows up to get you. First, open your door and say "do not enter this house" and if he's pissed off enough to enter anyway just crack him in the head with your conveniently hidden baseball bat. This way you're both legally untouchable (he was trespassing with the intent to harm you) and you'll give this girl one more dead family member to cry her ass off about.

 

Be sure to record it on video, though. I haven't had a goregasm in a while.

PsychoBud']

 

HOWEVER, if you want some fun, all you need is ANY docyumentation (logs of IMs, recorded phone calls, especially messages on voice mail) that could be interpereted as threats of harm to get her or daddy charged with assault in the 4th (felony harrassment)...all it takes for you to press those criminal charges is to tell the cops that the threat you documented made you feel like your life was in danger...it's a D felony (5 year max sentence, up to $10K in fines, and MANDATROY anger management and counselling at the expense of the convict, on top of loss of all sorts of shit for a felony conviction)...in other words, if you've got documentation, you can cost this guy his voting rights, his right to own a gun (it's considered a "violent felony" AND a "strike" by 29 states), a buttload of money, loss of any insurance or medical liscenses, refusal to renew SEC liscenses or real estate lisences, security clearences, etcetera.

 

Actually, ASCII editable files CANNOT be used in a court of law, due to the ease in which one can edit them to say whatever one wants. This means AIM conversations, IRC logs, and anything else you could edit with a text editor.

 

The rules of evidence are pretty clear, they would need to prove you in fact wrote things and vice versa. I wouldn't worry, no possible trouble can come to you. Like psychobud said, the only thing they could try is a civil court case in which they would have to prove either monetary damages related to the incident (none) or they would have to have some kind of accredited psychiatric expert testify that they have suffered emotional damages, and I doubt they would be able to have that done.

LOL EyeReesh...he doesn't have to wait for the guy to come in the house, in many states.

 

TX, FL, WA, KS, I know for sure, and several others I'm pretty sure of...if you own or are buying the property (or are a legitimate resident of a non-rented property), all you have to do is post a sign waringin them "no tresspassing", or make record (for your protection) of telling them to leave the property or be considered to be tresspassing with intent...after that, so long as their injuries indicate that they were NOT in the process of leaving the property (not shot in the back, for instance), you're covered, legally...you MIGHT be arrested (probably will) and interviewed, but as soon as a lawyer shows up for you, you're as good as off the hook in the states I mentioned, and any state with similar laws...you won't be jugged for more than a full business day (so don't do this Friday afternoon, or you'll be in jail until Monday/Teusday afternoon).

 

Be worth aquiring a wireless USB hub and hookign up a webcam and microphone, if you do this, so you have audio and video record of you telling him to leave, then reacting "out of fear" when he doesn't...the "panic" excuse...especially if you have a believable story about multiple threatening phone calls over a "joke" and veiled threats, and the like (which he does...even has some cyber-evidence, it seems, in the way of the girl's IM communications)...is one that's OFTEN been successfully used to excuse "overzealous" violent behavior in a "self defense" defense for assault or manslaughter.

 

 

However, what I was referring to is that that evidence be used to support your reason for feeling "in danger for life or safety"...and in THAT circumstance, they WOULD be permissable as evidence, since they are NOT "material evidence", or "proof of threat", siomply record you are providing to SUPPORT the actual evidence (the claim that you felt threatened, and feeling thusly was resonable and rational)..in a harrassment or felony threats case, you needn't be able to PROVE the threats (though it helps), you just need to be able to support the idea that you WERE threatened, and felt endangered because of them...witness testimony is all the "proof" you need, generally, and ANY sort of documentation, especially of the sort that they can verify through HIS computers, or by subpoenaing the relevant records from the IM program server owner, is just "icing on the cake"...audio record is even better, since, if required, experts can verify whose voices are involved, and that the recording was untampered.

 

 

 

You're right, EyeReesh...the logs on HIS system couldn't be used in a court of law..but they COULD be used to cause warrant to be issued for THEIR logs...and if they match, THEN they could be used as evidence in a court...but the thing is...IM proggies pass through a third party server, which DOES log and track...which IS acceptable as evidence, as is well established in harrassment cases involving cyber-threats.

/me thinks Zodiac is too much of a pussy to pull it off.

 

do it pussy.

Fact: Warrant could be gained to look at server side logs.

 

Truth: If AOL logged every IM conversation every user has, not only would they likely be breaching their privacy policy, but they would need hundreds or possibly thousands of servers working all the time to do so. Millions of convos are probably happening at any given time.

 

I HIGHLY doubt that AIM would be able to produce records of past conversations.

Possibly, but not definate...not hard to set logging to trigger on keywords for storage, thus storing only stuff legal staff determines is most liely to be subpoenaed...but you're right, I dunno how likely this is, I just know that such warrants HAVE been served to IM companies in the past, and have yielded evidenciary items.

 

However, that doesn't stand in the way at all of being cause for issuance of a warrant for the other personal computer(s) involved, to compare logs, which would be courtroom-worthy evidence, nor does it invalidate the fact that such logs needn't meet standard rules of evidence to be admissable, since the issue isn't whether the threats were made or not, but IF the complaining party "reasonably and rationally felt in fear of his life or safety", for whatever reason.

PsychoBud']Possibly, but not definate...not hard to set logging to trigger on keywords for storage, thus storing only stuff legal staff determines is most liely to be subpoenaed...but you're right, I dunno how likely this is, I just know that such warrants HAVE been served to IM companies in the past, and have yielded evidenciary items.

 

However, that doesn't stand in the way at all of being cause for issuance of a warrant for the other personal computer(s) involved, to compare logs, which would be courtroom-worthy evidence, nor does it invalidate the fact that such logs needn't meet standard rules of evidence to be admissable, since the issue isn't whether the threats were made or not, but IF the complaining party "reasonably and rationally felt in fear of his life or safety", for whatever reason.

you dont know how often ive said "molestation", "rape", "pussy", "kill ******s", and all that other good stuff on AIM or MSN at any given time, do you?

 

they wont produce logs k :o

Holy FUCK! Why did you guys bring this old shit back up?

 

Here's the update. It seems Nikki (the girl) has stopped using the screen name due to the number of you people bugging her (lol! Good job guys). Also, her dad has called my house phone, meaning he has all the access to the location of my house becuase the information is listed. He has yet to stop by, and Nikki has yet to call the FBI about my "virii" and shit. Now to answer a few questions:

 

so this whole thing started because she didnt want to waste her time talking to a douchebag like you anymore?

 

Yes. I let it slide for a while, but when I found out the news about her grandma, I couldn't let it pass by. So yeah, the whole reason this started is 'cause she didn't want to talk to a douchebag like me.

 

guess what i thought this was funny until she said u shopped at Hot Topic. u r t3h ghey

 

I don't shop at hottopic. I actually HATE that store. The ironic thing is that she's the type of person that would be shopping there. She's the whole Gothic/Electro-pop wanna be model chick (you know the type. The ones that prance around trying too look pretty with their snow white makeup and pitch black PVC clothing. Yeah... her). So the fact she said that make me laugh irl.

 

/me thinks Zodiac is too much of a pussy to pull it off.

 

do it pussy.

1) This isn't IRC. It would actually take less typing to type "I think Zodiac..." This just goes to prove you're a little IRC nerd scenster. You're like those hardcore ***gots, except you have a computer and general knowlege of IRC.

2)I don't really care about doing it. If he came to my house and entered against my will, I wouldn't hesitate to defend myself. The thing is, I'm not going to try to manipulate people to come over to my house so I can assault them and possibly kill someone. I am under contract with the U.S. Government and this can get me in an assload of trouble. THAT is the only thing I would be worried about. Just remember, I won't hesitate to defend myself if need be, though (even if it resaults in death).

 

PsychoBud']Possibly, but not definate...not hard to set logging to trigger on keywords for storage, thus storing only stuff legal staff determines is most liely to be subpoenaed...but you're right, I dunno how likely this is, I just know that such warrants HAVE been served to IM companies in the past, and have yielded evidenciary items.

 

However, that doesn't stand in the way at all of being cause for issuance of a warrant for the other personal computer(s) involved, to compare logs, which would be courtroom-worthy evidence, nor does it invalidate the fact that such logs needn't meet standard rules of evidence to be admissable, since the issue isn't whether the threats were made or not, but IF the complaining party "reasonably and rationally felt in fear of his life or safety", for whatever reason.

According to a few Police officers I have talked to reguarding a similar incident, AOL does log these type of conversations. They do say it's keyword triggered. I am not sure of the validity of this statement because a lot of people do say "rape/kill/assassinate/..." on AOL severs, especially since there are a lot of AOL chat rooms dedicated to Roll Playing.

acually my IRC skills are worse then kigys.