Posted March 25, 200619 yr Since my latest bout of bans from FPS servers over "hacks" that aren't even hacks (EA Games and Valve both left sounds moddable by players, if you didn't know that...by using distinctive sounds for walking on different surfaces, climbing, and such, and then using an editor to make those sounds hugely loud (so they are better at a distance) and have (huge amplitheater" reverb, you get a "legal" cheat that is almsot as nice as an up-front aimbot. The mods I had on my CS told me when someone was on CT tower when I was in building...ANYWHERE in building. A bit of practice, I could headshot them the instant I heard them touch the ladder frojm the lower BD corner, running a game that was "stock" aside from Valve permitted and assisted modifications. ANyhow...having gotten bored, I took $100 "gambling" money, and $50 "reserve" money down to the local reservation casino craps table. Just playing it off what I cou;d caclulate of odds regarding the rules I learned that first night, I walked out $730 ahead, on a $5 minimum bet/$500 max on the table 6's required on 6 and 8 table. So I started going regularly, and playing the same tables, allowing myself the same $150 starting money every time...been at this for about twop weeks now, have had four times where I played for 2.5-4 hours and lost my "starter money" (but not before I passed at least a couple grand's worth of chips back and forth in play), but as of now, my total shows me at better than $4k up. New sectional sofa arrives tomorrow, new hardwood flooring being put in daughter's room, and a hardwood "Japanese Foyer" being built at my front door (both in red oak), sending wife to a day spa first Monday in April for a full day treatment, and getting started on fininshing the wrist-to-above-the-elbow portion of my lefthand ink sleeve on the 6th (spending two hours doing the full layout and custom flash, fitted specifically to me, then another two hours doing some outlining, and some of the lowest area of coloring *by the bit of wrist I already have done with the tribal, to complete the coverup work on the botched piece I got with a homemade gun as a kid). Lesson to be learned: if you think maths or statistics are too boring to "waste your time on", there's definately at least ONE way to make them pay pretty big, even if you gotta be careful and slow building up enough and NEVER play for the "big wins", just let them come when he odds say they will, because the big losses hit more often....the slow steady gains are where the money comes in.
March 25, 200619 yr There was a movie that came out not too long ago about a team of students from a technical institute where the students would go to casinos and bet big, and statistically they would always come out ahead. They ended up making something like 2.5 million dollars for the school. My mother, now don't stop reading, just hear me out, teaches Advanced Position Statastics at my high school and has recently stumbled across this theroy as well. Now, my mom decided that she would hold a little experiment in her classroom with the kids. They anted up over and over again and it actually works, some of the kids left the class that day with (Fake, no duh) 100,000 extra then they came in with. PsychoBud, I'm glad you found this and are beating the house. If more people find out about this though, casinos will go out of buisness.
March 25, 200619 yr There was a movie that came out not too long ago about a team of students from a technical institute where the students would go to casinos and bet big, and statistically they would always come out ahead. They ended up making something like 2.5 million dollars for the school. My mother, now don't stop reading, just hear me out, teaches Advanced Position Statastics at my high school and has recently stumbled across this theroy as well. Now, my mom decided that she would hold a little experiment in her classroom with the kids. They anted up over and over again and it actually works, some of the kids left the class that day with (Fake, no duh) 100,000 extra then they came in with. PsychoBud, I'm glad you found this and are beating the house. If more people find out about this though, casinos will go out of buisness. If you team against the house then you will always come out ahead due to the CLT. The team was from MIT. The concept is simple. If you get caught teaming at a casino nowadays you will be thrown out. The statistics behind this has been known for a long time by anybody who understand the math behind the game, nobody was ballsy enough to take on the Vegas crime syndicates in their casinos, which is why it never happened. The MIT group went for it, came out ahead, and got the shit kicked out of them multiple times in the process. They had the balls, they got the money. The math is sound and will always work out unless the house cheats. Oh and if your mom just recently stumbled across this theory then she shouldn't be teaching stats at all. She sucked her professor's dick to get her degree.
March 25, 200619 yr If you win too big too much they will just kick you out anyways unless you are staying in one of thier suits.
March 25, 200619 yr If you win too big too much they will just kick you out anyways unless you are staying in one of thier suits. No, the students at MIT only were allowed to stay at the suite for so long before they got kicked out.
March 25, 200619 yr Craps is the only game I play . I do Vegas 4-5 x a year and the local Indian casinos in Conneticutt at least once a month. Most I have ever walked away from one table was last year at Mohegan Sun in CT. was just shy of $14000.00 . I started with grand worth of chips and couldn't go wrong the entire 6 hours of play . I even hit hard 6 with 200.00 on it 2x @ 10-1 thats a 2g payoff each time. (fyi vegas only pays 9-1) Most I have ever lost at craps is about 800-900 but that is nothing compared to what I take from the casinos . I find my key to craps is playing low the first 2x around the table to see who is a Long roller and who just craps out after 1 -2 rolls . Then I bet big on the long rollers on the 3rd time around the table . I would say it works about 70% of the time. Then you get the down right shit table and then you either leave or piss everyone off and play NO PASS . Thats actually kinda fun .
March 25, 200619 yr Gambling is a sin as stated in the 10 commandments, your all going to burn in hell for eternity.
March 25, 200619 yr The MIT story is a good read. It's called "Bringing down the house". They worked out a mathmatical system for black jack and raped vegas. Of course, they are now banned from every casino.
March 25, 200619 yr i used to use that sound thing on different fps games, it would sound like breaking glass so i always knew where they were
March 25, 200619 yr Author The MIT kids who did Vegas were taught the card counting system by an analytical calc professor, four of them teamed up over Spring Break, went to Atlantic City, and, working together, basically robbed the joint until they were accused of unspecified "cheating", and asked to leave. They then got a few more friends involved, and started spending weekends and breaks at Vegas, working in teams, with some of them losing "small bet" pots on purpose, while the winners were always BIG winners, all of them in concert working the card counting bit and communicating the counts, while "lookouts" kept an eye out for open security/management observation, and would drop signals for them to change their signalling system. When they were finally caught, it was a hard catch, they were banned from all Nevada casinos by the gaming commission, but they explained in detail how and what was done to work the "scam". That scam's a relatively famous story by now, and solid documentation of the real events are easily accessed through the mit.edu site, if you know how to search it right (all Master's and PhD thesis documents are available in PDF format or .WFV scanned document format, at the very least since 2002, and many before that, hard copies can be ordered "as reference material" for a fee, and documents that were published, as this one was, are available in multiple formats through the library services.) Hysteria, I agree, playing the "no pass" line on smeone proven to be a short roller can be fun as hell, as it pisses them (and many system players) off, and REALLY annoys the superstitious players, who think that sort of thing (or saying "crapping out" or anything of the sort, or naming the "unnamed number") will "jinx" the roller. In all honesty, craps is the best REAL odds in any casino, and, if you play it right, and have memorized combo statistics, and pay attention, then you can stay even or even pull slowly ahead, steadily, and indefinately, despite "house padding" of the odds with 7's...if you pay attention to the ROLLERS, as it goes around, and have any feel for "hot dice" or "hot rollers", or conversely, a "cold table", you can double or triple your money pretty easily in the first hour, thenh do it again and again, until the table itself drops cold on you. Then you can switch tables, start slowly (for safety), and, as soon as you have the feel, start playing "big" again. Unfortunately indian casinos don't have "big limits" tables out here. Lemon Coated, it's not hard to memorize the statistics for every possible combo, or, better yet, for particular numbers to come up. That's half the job. With 2 six sided dice, you "strictly"have a 1 in 36 chance of any given pair coming up (1:1, 1:2, 1:3, 1:4, 1:5, 1:6, 2:1, 2:2.......6:6), you can bet any number to "stand" as long as a single individual roller is rolling (roller changes when he hits a 7, any way, and all bets except "one shot" bets of "any seven" come off the table...and THOSE are sucker bets, since they only pay off if that particular roll is a 7, and otherwise, the money goes to the house). since a 7 can be 6:1, 5:2, 4:3, 3:4, 2:5, 6:1, this means that you have a 6 in 36 1 in 6) chance of a 7 coming up, strictly speaking, on any roll, and costing you your money unless it's an opening roll (in which case it doubles what you had on the pass line). Since betting "any 7" only pays 5:1 odds, you'll lose money playing that bet, regardless. Aside from that, you can do standing bets on "the field" (2:1 odds for 3, 4, 9, 10, & 11, 3:1 odds on snake eyes, and 4:1 odds on boxcars), and this bet will "ride" unless a 5, 6, 7, or 8 hits, so you basically have 16:36 (4:9) chance of being paid on that bet, 14:36 (7:18) chance of hitting 5, 6, or 8, and losing the "play the field bet, and a 1:6 chance of losing anything on the table (assuming you're not playing the 5:1 payoff "any 7" one roll bets), and also 1:18 of those "play the field" bets will pay 3:1 (1.5 times the money back, plus your original bet on snakeyes) or 4:1 (three times your original bet, plus the original bet on boxcars) you can place "riding" number bets on 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, and 10, and these are the numbers that can be "on". The odds on each number are as follows: 4 = 1:3 2:2 3:1 3:36 = 1:12 5 = 1:4 2:3 3:2 4:1 4:36 = 1:9 6 = 1:5 2:4 3:3 4:2 5:1 5:36 = 5:36 8 = 2:6 3:5 4:4 5:3 6:2 5:36 = 5:36 9 = 3:6 4:5 5:4 6:3 4:36 = 1:9 10 = 6:4 5:5 4:6 3:36 = 1:12 As you can see, 6 and 8 will come up about once every 7 rolls (which is why they usually pay off oddly, so on a $5 table, you need to place bets in multiples of $6 on them), and 5 comes up once in 9 rolls on average. So, as a beginner, if you play the pass line with a minimal bet, then go "triple" behind it if it's a "good" number ($5 table, play 5 on pass line, add $15 behind it if 5, 6, 8, or 9 is "on" after opening roll, then put $10 on the field, and 5, 6, and 6 respectively on 5, 6, and 8, then you should stand to steadily win small amounts of money. On opening roll, though, what's smart is minimal bet on pass line, "play the field", and 2 bucks on "any craps" (8:1 odds) if you roll 7 (1:6 odds) you get $5 back for winning opening roll on "pass line, and lose $7 between "any craps" and "play the field"...you're down $2, but if you get 11, you get paid on the pass line and the field, and lose your $2, so you're up $8, if you roll 12, you gain 4:1 on "play the field" and "any craps" pays 8:1, while you lose the $5 pass line bet, giving you $24 of the casino's money offf the $7 in those two spots, and taking your pass line $5 (so you're up $19 for having $12 on the table that you CAN'T lose all of, no matter what), a 3 pays you 1 for1 on "play the field" and 8:1 on "any craps, giving you $11 of the casino's money, leaving the $7 you had on "any craps" and "play the field", and taking your $5 "pass line", leaving you $6 up, and a 2 pays 8 for one on "any craps" and 3 for one on "play the field", so you get $16 of the casino's money, and lose your $5 pass line bet. What all this means is for an opening roll, $12 spread $5 on pass line, $5 on "play the field", and $2 on "any craps" will pay SOMETHING if you land on anything but 5, 6, or 8 (14:36 chance), so you have 22:36 chance on winning SOMETHING, period, even if it's a $3 total gain for landing on 4, 9, or 10, or a $2 loss because a 7 "came out". even if 5, 6, or 8 "come out" and are "on", you lose your "play the field" bet and your "any craps" bet ($7 loss), but you now have $5 on 1 for 1 on three of the four highest hitting numbers that CAN win, and can put $15 more behind it (which I would if it were 6 or 8, plus covering both of them with a running bet). But if you come out "on" 10 or 4, leave just the $5 there, and play 5, 6, 8, 9, or any combination of them, directly (preferably 6 and 8) ON the number...the payout is slightly over 1 for 1, and your odds are best on those 4 (combined odds for playing all 4 are 2:1 you'll hit on one of them, with 6:1 odds against a 7 landing and wiping you) to boost slow winnings, sometimes it's worth playing HALF what you have on 5 and 9 on "play the field", and for fun, sometimes making rolling side bets (big 6 and/or 8, "hard way" bets, and the like, which stay on the table until removed, a t comes up, or someone rolls the "on" number, which causes a new "coming out" roll)...the point of making that "half what you have covering the 5 and 9" "play the field" bet is this...2:1, you're gonna hit on 5, 6, 8, or 9, and get paid slightly better than 1 for 1 (if you got $10 on 5, and it rolls 5, you get paid $21 or $22, depending on casino, $10 of which was yours to begin with, anyhow...take the winnings, leave the original bet until you feel it's time to start clearing the table of potential losses)...so 1 out of two times, you'll make $11 or $12, and lose $5, for a net gain of $6 or $7...statistically, you'll do that three times before a 7 comes out. and then agaion, theres always the chance of a winning roll "blowing" it...but you ALSO have a 7 in 18 chance of making at least $5 off any particular roll on the play the field, and a 1 in 18 chance of it being $10 or $15..so you gain slower on the 5, 6, 8, 9 bets, but you end up staying ahead on the win/loss curve (you'll win enough extra on the payouts on the 5, 6, 8, 9 direct bets, and the occasional pass line payoff to more than make up for the exta 2 in 18 times you lose $5 on "play the field", especially once the two 1:36 bets (boxcars and snakeyes) are factored in)....now this is a formula for a SLOW gain over a period setup, with losses that sometimes seem disproportionate, until odds catch back up with you, but it's purely the statistics of the game and the payout odds....it takes maybe 117 "game" rolls (not counting "coming out" rolls), sometimes less, sometimes more, to turn your original $100 + $50 "reserve" (which a couple bad rolls in a row...like 7 within 2 rolls of getting "on" happening 3 or four times running... early on may force you to dip into to stay in) to be pretty solidly sure of being $100 "up" on the casino, at this rate...about 30 minutes of play, to be honest. play the same way for another 30 minutes (unless coming out rolls and 6/8 have been kind to you, and you're already $300+ "up" on the casino), then start playing the same basic system, at double the money, for the next 30 minutes, then triple the money...by the time you start your second hour, you SHOLD, statistically speaking, be playing with the casino's money, running $400-$500 at a time on the table, and consistantly coming out ahead...if you're NOT coming out ahead, it's either because the tabel "went cold" for everyone, you're not playing the odds properly, or you just have no judgement at all when it comes to paying attention to who rolls how, and how consistantly.
March 25, 200619 yr u should watch a TV show called Breaking Vegas, its all about a guy who learns how to control the dice in craps and wins so much money then gets taunted by every person in the casino he goes to ext. i thnik theres a book about it the golden touch or sommin, thats either the book name or the group he was in the tv show is also about other vegas games, the one i saw was about craps though
March 25, 200619 yr its funny how useful of a thread this turned out to be, whereas if pyschobud wasnt in myg0t, i doubt half the people would have posted useful replies, probably something about #care
March 25, 200619 yr its funny how useful of a thread this turned out to be, whereas if pyschobud wasnt in myg0t, i doubt half the people would have posted useful replies, probably something about #care yeh thats probably true
March 25, 200619 yr everytime i go i get burned and i feel like shit on the hour trip home fucking blackjack tables.... my worst all time loss at the casino was $750 or or so... ever since then i dont go anymore.
March 26, 200619 yr d3']everytime i go i get burned and i feel like shit on the hour trip home fucking blackjack tables.... my worst all time loss at the casino was $750 or or so... ever since then i dont go anymore. hahahaha, Don't feel bad , the cards hate me as well , it gets a bit annoying when you get delt 13 -15 6 or 7 times in a row . That's why I never ever touch the cards .... and its just not exciting.
March 26, 200619 yr hahahaha, Don't feel bad , the cards hate me as well , it gets a bit annoying when you get delt 13 -15 6 or 7 times in a row . That's why I never ever touch the cards .... and its just not exciting. Hit on anything under 18. You'll win more than you'll lose.
