Seriously, are you proud to be so out of touch with main stream society?

Not out of touch with the mainstream, at all...work in it...STEEPED in it, on a daily basis, to my eyeballs. A good 90% of our "society" gets their political knowledge (and forms their opinions on it) from blatantly biased news bytes, spends most of every day not doing ANYTHING that steps outside "pre-programmed" rote-learned "routines", and not only doesn't, but CAN'T use their minds on demand for anything harder than deciding what flavor ice cream to order at Baskin Robins (and this applies almost as badly to the EU societies I've been exposed to in any depth).

 

Damned straight that I take pride in setting myself apart from them in any "disguisable" way I can find. My ink can be (and always will be set up this way) hidden by a business suit, same with my piercings, my record only shows up on a background check, and won't even show up THEN, once expunged, and the folks I do business with don't have to know I participate in body art conventions or human suspensions unless they happen to run into me at one, or I happen to find out or decide they might be interested, themselves, and start letting them know.

 

 

Outside of THAT, which is hiding the more deliberate "symbols" of the fact that I conciously reject the "standards" of our culture/society, I enjoy more insidious ways of demonstrating it, in my off time...things like introducing myself to strangers on the street by holding my foot out, to shake feet, instead of my hand...just to see how they react, or other "harmless pranks" that simply test whether THIS person is one of the few who can and will use the only thing that keeps us from being nothing more than shaved monkies.

PsychoBud']Not out of touch with the mainstream, at all...work in it...STEEPED in it, on a daily basis, to my eyeballs. A good 90% of our "society" gets their political knowledge (and forms their opinions on it) from blatantly biased news bytes, spends most of every day not doing ANYTHING that steps outside "pre-programmed" rote-learned "routines", and not only doesn't, but CAN'T use their minds on demand for anything harder than deciding what flavor ice cream to order at Baskin Robins (and this applies almost as badly to the EU societies I've been exposed to in any depth).

 

Damned straight that I take pride in setting myself apart from them in any "disguisable" way I can find. My ink can be (and always will be set up this way) hidden by a business suit, same with my piercings, my record only shows up on a background check, and won't even show up THEN, once expunged, and the folks I do business with don't have to know I participate in body art conventions or human suspensions unless they happen to run into me at one, or I happen to find out or decide they might be interested, themselves, and start letting them know.

 

 

Outside of THAT, which is hiding the more deliberate "symbols" of the fact that I conciously reject the "standards" of our culture/society, I enjoy more insidious ways of demonstrating it, in my off time...things like introducing myself to strangers on the street by holding my foot out, to shake feet, instead of my hand...just to see how they react, or other "harmless pranks" that simply test whether THIS person is one of the few who can and will use the only thing that keeps us from being nothing more than shaved monkies.

 

this guy is secks.

PsychoBud']Not out of touch with the mainstream, at all...work in it...STEEPED in it, on a daily basis, to my eyeballs. A good 90% of our "society" gets their political knowledge (and forms their opinions on it) from blatantly biased news bytes, spends most of every day not doing ANYTHING that steps outside "pre-programmed" rote-learned "routines", and not only doesn't, but CAN'T use their minds on demand for anything harder than deciding what flavor ice cream to order at Baskin Robins (and this applies almost as badly to the EU societies I've been exposed to in any depth).

 

Damned straight that I take pride in setting myself apart from them in any "disguisable" way I can find. My ink can be (and always will be set up this way) hidden by a business suit, same with my piercings, my record only shows up on a background check, and won't even show up THEN, once expunged, and the folks I do business with don't have to know I participate in body art conventions or human suspensions unless they happen to run into me at one, or I happen to find out or decide they might be interested, themselves, and start letting them know.

 

 

Outside of THAT, which is hiding the more deliberate "symbols" of the fact that I conciously reject the "standards" of our culture/society, I enjoy more insidious ways of demonstrating it, in my off time...things like introducing myself to strangers on the street by holding my foot out, to shake feet, instead of my hand...just to see how they react, or other "harmless pranks" that simply test whether THIS person is one of the few who can and will use the only thing that keeps us from being nothing more than shaved monkies.

 

 

I see were you are coming from, and it is good you think you should try to be an individual in this mindless world we live in today. However, every body thinks the same way, every one on this world thinks they are escaping the masses, when in truth, the desire they have for some thing out of the ordinary, is probably only occurring because the marketing power of firms is telling them too.

 

Even still, I do not understand how you can be so proud to say that your way of setting your self a part from the world is by breaking the laws which hold our society together. The rules are there, as that is what a community would expect, and tolerates. So your answer to free your self from a society is to go against its core underlying values?

 

I can understand you trying to shake some one's foot, but physically assaulting some one is not some thing I see as a productive counter measure to what we live in. The type of example it gives is also quite pitiful.

 

Also, why do you dislike society as it is? It is the mindless masses which make the very few rich, richer. If you are bitter that you are not one of them, that is fine, but why do you not strive to be part of that, instead of fighting a un-winnable battle.

 

If you really do not like the world you live in, why live in it? Accept it, and you will find your self a lot happier.

I see were you are coming from, and it is good you think you should try to be an individual in this mindless world we live in today. However, every body thinks the same way, every one on this world thinks they are escaping the masses, when in truth, the desire they have for some thing out of the ordinary, is probably only occurring because the marketing power of firms is telling them too.

 

Even still, I do not understand how you can be so proud to say that your way of setting your self a part from the world is by breaking the laws which hold our society together. The rules are there, as that is what a community would expect, and tolerates. So your answer to free your self from a society is to go against its core underlying values?

 

I can understand you trying to shake some one's foot, but physically assaulting some one is not some thing I see as a productive counter measure to what we live in. The type of example it gives is also quite pitiful.

 

Also, why do you dislike society as it is? It is the mindless masses which make the very few rich, richer. If you are bitter that you are not one of them, that is fine, but why do you not strive to be part of that, instead of fighting a un-winnable battle.

 

If you really do not like the world you live in, why live in it? Accept it, and you will find your self a lot happier.

In boith cases where the assault was prosecuted, I was attacked first, I simply failed to STOP attacking when he stopped trying to get back up (or even resisting)...all other cases where I've interacted with the law enforcement community have either involved racing, speeding, or what they locally call "mutual assaults" (mutual fights by choice, usually a minor "disturbing the piece" charge if they find it annoying enough for whatever reason to prosecute, around here)...everyone speeds occasionally, racing is an adrenal-charge thing...I just can't resist the challenge if I have a chance against the guy (in my own estimation), and when I get into "mutual assaults", gernerally it really IS mutual, not really anything personal, just a bit of rough and tumble barehand fun...the bar I hang out at most is noted for being the site of most of the weekend barfights in town, and yet is considered to be a "kinda cool" bar, because only once or twice a year does a fight become anything more than two or four guyys stepping outside and going at it barefist.

PsychoBud']In boith cases where the assault was prosecuted' date=' I was attacked first, I simply failed to STOP attacking when he stopped trying to get back up (or even resisting)...all other cases where I've interacted with the law enforcement community have either involved racing, speeding, or what they locally call "mutual assaults" (mutual fights by choice, usually a minor "disturbing the piece" charge if they find it annoying enough for whatever reason to prosecute, around here)...everyone speeds occasionally, racing is an adrenal-charge thing...I just can't resist the challenge if I have a chance against the guy (in my own estimation), and when I get into "mutual assaults", gernerally it really IS mutual, not really anything personal, just a bit of rough and tumble barehand fun...the bar I hang out at most is noted for being the site of most of the weekend barfights in town, and yet is considered to be a "kinda cool" bar, because only once or twice a year does a fight become anything more than two or four guyys stepping outside and going at it barefist.[/quote']

 

I think it is stupid that the law won't let you stand up for yourself unless your life is in immediate danger and/or there is no way to run away.

PsychoBud']In boith cases where the assault was prosecuted' date=' I was attacked first, I simply failed to STOP attacking when he stopped trying to get back up (or even resisting)...all other cases where I've interacted with the law enforcement community have either involved racing, speeding, or what they locally call "mutual assaults" (mutual fights by choice, usually a minor "disturbing the piece" charge if they find it annoying enough for whatever reason to prosecute, around here)...everyone speeds occasionally, racing is an adrenal-charge thing...I just can't resist the challenge if I have a chance against the guy (in my own estimation), and when I get into "mutual assaults", gernerally it really IS mutual, not really anything personal, just a bit of rough and tumble barehand fun...the bar I hang out at most is noted for being the site of most of the weekend barfights in town, and yet is considered to be a "kinda cool" bar, because only once or twice a year does a fight become anything more than two or four guyys stepping outside and going at it barefist.[/quote']

 

Well, I bit more of an insight does help understand you a lot better.

 

I still do not see why you hang around such a place, if it brings so much trouble to you, if this is were the "mutual assaults" have taken place. Unless this sort of behaviour is acceptable to you? You are preaching these morals to every one who reads your posts seeing the glamorized crime you have been involved in. Do you really want to set such an example?

 

You have just witnessed, 10+ teenages ask you were and what they should get "ink" on them selves, kids are coming into these forums posting video's of killing cats. All because they think it is making them cool. Do YOU want to be responsible for having people getting into fights becuase you have? Just so they can be cool like you. I just do not think you know what sort of influence people like you have of others.

 

BTW, I am 18, not some concerned under cover parent. Just flexing my brain.

Well, I bit more of an insight does help understand you a lot better.

 

I still do not see why you hang around such a place, if it brings so much trouble to you, if this is were the "mutual assaults" have taken place. Unless this sort of behaviour is acceptable to you? You are preaching these morals to every one who reads your posts seeing the glamorized crime you have been involved in. Do you really want to set such an example?

 

You have just witnessed, 10+ teenages ask you were and what they should get "ink" on them selves, kids are coming into these forums posting video's of killing cats. All because they think it is making them cool. Do YOU want to be responsible for having people getting into fights becuase you have? Just so they can be cool like you. I just do not think you know what sort of influence people like you have of others.

 

BTW, I am 18, not some concerned under cover parent. Just flexing my brain.

 

Well said, and as I said above, I think there are only three or four types who get ANY type of permenant ink on them, and I DO caution most people to be one of the last two types, who either think it fully through and put stuff on them they KNOW will carry meaning they're willing to haul around for life, or get ONE ill-advised piece, THEN, having decided they LOVE getting inked follow that route.

 

 

As far as the barfights, and the like, yes, this IS "acceptable behavior" in my eyes...and was in the eyes of general society up until the 1970's. The world isn't the "cotton candy" place we've been trying to force it to be since 1964, and never has been, so I've chosen deliberately to take most of my moral opinions and lessons from firsthand historical accounts gathered here and there in books, direct conversation with my grandparents, and fiction authors raised in those earlier times (Asimov, Heinlein, Piper, L'Amour, a few others), and even from oldsters down at the rest homes (bel;ieve it or not I spend at least a day a week "volunteering" a couple hours at one of the local retirement communities, and I bring the kids along). You've got to remember that along with that "I'm as good as any other man, and willing to throw down on a moment's notice if you fail to respect that, or seem to think *I* failed to respect that about YOU" attitude is one that says I owe certain debts to society and obligations to myself and my family, as well...debts that come BEFORE anythign else....these debts and obligations put me in the military at 17, with parental waiver (where the social pressures reinforced this "antiquated thinking"), had me working for my own money, rather than getting out and expecting mommy and daddy to pay for my college, when I got out, lead to a HELL of an interesting bunch of life experiences, and caused me to set out on a path of patterned learning that didn't leave me room to go to a "real college" until I was in my 30's...by which time I TRULY knew what I wanted to spend my life doing, rather than "falling into" a trade, because I jumped from H.S. into college, mucked around, ended up with a degree, and started trying to earn a living before I knew what it was I loved out there in the world. On the way, I found some things I HATE doing, I found some things I love doing, and have skill at that just won't support the lifestyle I wish to enjoy. IUt's not the right path for everyone, but the baseline morals and beliefs WILL work for anyone who applies them truly.

 

 

My basic rules...and those I'm trying to teach m,y kids are:

• Most people CAN'T think properly, and most who can, WON'T, unless forced to, so learn to think clearly and rationally, and employ it constantly, and you'll be at an advantage
• You gotta give respect to get respect...but this means you show respect at all times unless you're willing to end up in a fight over it, and ALWAYS be willing to get as aggressive as necessary to enforce the reciept of the respect you're due
• "The Boss" usually isn't the guy best suited for bossing, he's just the guy who was best at the job that LEADS to that job...so always make sure you're thinking about the GOALS s/he expresses, try to find easier and more efficient ways to accomplish them, and ask (as innocently as possible) HIS boss(es) why you'r work group isn't being asked to do it *that* way
• Spend the time to learn any skill that you think you MIGHT not want to do without the results of, if there were suddenly noone else around to do it for you, even if this means spending a lifetime in "hobbies" learning to do stupid shit like smelting ore, forging your own metals and tools, so on, and so forth.
• Read absolutely EVERYTHING you can get your hands on written by authors that do REAL research, just for fun...you learn vicariously, that way.
• Set your goals so they depend entirely on YOUR actions, and noone's reactions to them

 

 

 

Oh, and the BAR wasn't connected to either of the cases where I was prosecuted....in every case the cops have shown at the Shamrock, they just took names, assessed the damage, and told the manager to call and press charges if "the boys" didn't pay for them within a reasonable amount of time. Like I said, usually, we take it outside, beat the snot of of eachother until someone says he's had enough, go inside, and end up buying eachother ptichers, anddoing what my uncle (an oilrigh worker) calls "roughneck roundup", where we brag on the good shots, bitch about the nasty hits someone else landed on you, and generally spend the time mutually congratulating eachother on being "man enough to face it, and tough enough to walk back in and share a beer afterwards"...this is the bar the local "99%" bikers (non-outlaws), industry workers, and such hang out at...the kind of place becoming rarer and rarer outside rural communities and "factory towns".

PsychoBud']Well said, and as I said above, I think there are only three or four types who get ANY type of permenant ink on them, and I DO caution most people to be one of the last two types, who either think it fully through and put stuff on them they KNOW will carry meaning they're willing to haul around for life, or get ONE ill-advised piece, THEN, having decided they LOVE getting inked follow that route.

 

 

As far as the barfights, and the like, yes, this IS "acceptable behavior" in my eyes...and was in the eyes of general society up until the 1970's. The world isn't the "cotton candy" place we've been trying to force it to be since 1964, and never has been, so I've chosen deliberately to take most of my moral opinions and lessons from firsthand historical accounts gathered here and there in books, direct conversation with my grandparents, and fiction authors raised in those earlier times (Asimov, Heinlein, Piper, L'Amour, a few others), and even from oldsters down at the rest homes (bel;ieve it or not I spend at least a day a week "volunteering" a couple hours at one of the local retirement communities, and I bring the kids along). You've got to remember that along with that "I'm as good as any other man, and willing to throw down on a moment's notice if you fail to respect that, or seem to think *I* failed to respect that about YOU" attitude is one that says I owe certain debts to society and obligations to myself and my family, as well...debts that come BEFORE anythign else....these debts and obligations put me in the military at 17, with parental waiver (where the social pressures reinforced this "antiquated thinking"), had me working for my own money, rather than getting out and expecting mommy and daddy to pay for my college, when I got out, lead to a HELL of an interesting bunch of life experiences, and caused me to set out on a path of patterned learning that didn't leave me room to go to a "real college" until I was in my 30's...by which time I TRULY knew what I wanted to spend my life doing, rather than "falling into" a trade, because I jumped from H.S. into college, mucked around, ended up with a degree, and started trying to earn a living before I knew what it was I loved out there in the world. On the way, I found some things I HATE doing, I found some things I love doing, and have skill at that just won't support the lifestyle I wish to enjoy. IUt's not the right path for everyone, but the baseline morals and beliefs WILL work for anyone who applies them truly.

 

 

My basic rules...and those I'm trying to teach m,y kids are:

• Most people CAN'T think properly, and most who can, WON'T, unless forced to, so learn to think clearly and rationally, and employ it constantly, and you'll be at an advantage
• You gotta give respect to get respect...but this means you show respect at all times unless you're willing to end up in a fight over it, and ALWAYS be willing to get as aggressive as necessary to enforce the reciept of the respect you're due
• "The Boss" usually isn't the guy best suited for bossing, he's just the guy who was best at the job that LEADS to that job...so always make sure you're thinking about the GOALS s/he expresses, try to find easier and more efficient ways to accomplish them, and ask (as innocently as possible) HIS boss(es) why you'r work group isn't being asked to do it *that* way
• Spend the time to learn any skill that you think you MIGHT not want to do without the results of, if there were suddenly noone else around to do it for you, even if this means spending a lifetime in "hobbies" learning to do stupid shit like smelting ore, forging your own metals and tools, so on, and so forth.
• Read absolutely EVERYTHING you can get your hands on written by authors that do REAL research, just for fun...you learn vicariously, that way.
• Set your goals so they depend entirely on YOUR actions, and noone's reactions to them

 

 

 

Oh, and the BAR wasn't connected to either of the cases where I was prosecuted....in every case the cops have shown at the Shamrock, they just took names, assessed the damage, and told the manager to call and press charges if "the boys" didn't pay for them within a reasonable amount of time. Like I said, usually, we take it outside, beat the snot of of eachother until someone says he's had enough, go inside, and end up buying eachother ptichers, anddoing what my uncle (an oilrigh worker) calls "roughneck roundup", where we brag on the good shots, bitch about the nasty hits someone else landed on you, and generally spend the time mutually congratulating eachother on being "man enough to face it, and tough enough to walk back in and share a beer afterwards"...this is the bar the local "99%" bikers (non-outlaws), industry workers, and such hang out at...the kind of place becoming rarer and rarer outside rural communities and "factory towns".

 

Would you please addopt me?

 

 

.

wow you think ur really hard dont yah?!

 

make you feel all big and tuff when you preach ur bullshit philosophy of why you are forced to live the way you do, when it is really just a cover up for what you did with your life: fucked it up.

 

trying to be cool and the tuff guy in ur small retarded group of loser friends, you beat the shit out of some drunk guy who stepped on ur fucken pumas, your like every other nigga out there that does not try to escape the stereotype that they are protrayed in the media and rap music in fulfilling.

 

if your body is a temple stupid, then why would you put shit on it just to hide it when you go get a fucken job, ur such a loser that you cant even decide what you want to do with your life so you try to do the exact opposite of mainstream society but still try to be part of society by covering up what you spent so much time and effort to put on your body to separate urself.

Good start, i like biomec, but i hope you will update the thread, if your arm tattoo is finished...

wow you think ur really hard dont yah?!

 

make you feel all big and tuff when you preach ur bullshit philosophy of why you are forced to live the way you do, when it is really just a cover up for what you did with your life: fucked it up.

 

trying to be cool and the tuff guy in ur small retarded group of loser friends, you beat the shit out of some drunk guy who stepped on ur fucken pumas, your like every other nigga out there that does not try to escape the stereotype that they are protrayed in the media and rap music in fulfilling.

 

if your body is a temple stupid, then why would you put shit on it just to hide it when you go get a fucken job, ur such a loser that you cant even decide what you want to do with your life so you try to do the exact opposite of mainstream society but still try to be part of society by covering up what you spent so much time and effort to put on your body to separate urself.

 

You are the bigest forum idiot I have ever seen.

Psychobud owns you

wow you think ur really hard dont yah?!

 

make you feel all big and tuff when you preach ur bullshit philosophy of why you are forced to live the way you do, when it is really just a cover up for what you did with your life: fucked it up.

 

trying to be cool and the tuff guy in ur small retarded group of loser friends, you beat the shit out of some drunk guy who stepped on ur fucken pumas, your like every other nigga out there that does not try to escape the stereotype that they are protrayed in the media and rap music in fulfilling.

 

if your body is a temple stupid, then why would you put shit on it just to hide it when you go get a fucken job, ur such a loser that you cant even decide what you want to do with your life so you try to do the exact opposite of mainstream society but still try to be part of society by covering up what you spent so much time and effort to put on your body to separate urself.

There's no "think" about it, 2na, I am hard...as for "fucking up my life", at 35, I own a 3300 sq foot house free and clear, both my cars are less than three years old and paid for, I have three dirt bikes and a street bike in the garage (all paid for, granted, the street bike is a project piece, which replaced my last project, which I wrecked at the racetrack), I'm living off a combination of the portfolio I created working in the car buisiness, which I spent just over 7 years in, after deciding neither the Army nor construction was for me (though I DID like bumming around the country "chasing storms" as a construction worker, and have plenty of interesting experiences out of that), and am spending the time I have to wait to be able to get my insurance andSEC7 liscenses back in school, learning to do what I really love, make a computer sit up and beg.

 

OK, so the first felony bust...the one that cost me my insurance liscense and a job that, in my last year in it, paid me damned near 3/4 of a million, including bonuses and stock options, COULD be counted as a "fuckup", but I was already planning to quit and go back to school, anyhow, I just ended up doing it six months earlier than planned.

 

In the meantime, nothing stopped me from getting a business liscense, and running three seperate DBAs out of my house (all computer related) as I gained the skills, I keep my hand in the car game by spending 1 day a month as a vendor rep for a high-mile warranty, and end up PAYING better than $30K a year in taxes, even after all the tax credits a self-employed full time student with three kids who is the SOLE income in the (owned) house gets...lemme give you a little hint...that puts me in the next to the top tax bracket in the U.S. for wage and salary income (22%), plus a hefty capital gains. Just how "fucked up" is my life when I spend more time with my kids than most dads can, take time off pretty much whenever I like, and can afford to have my wife stay at home full time while doing this, all while paying full time college tuition without assistance (that I wouldn't qualify for if I were half coon and half asian, due to income)?

 

 

Damned straight I'm "hard"...I made my own way, did it RIGHT, and managed to stay true to what I've believed in the whole time, and continue learning enough to adjust just what it is I believe in specifics as more/new knowledge became available.

Another one bites the dust.....

Let's make it more complete, MAKONG....the house I own free and clear has doubled in value since I bought it, which was three months after starting school in '02 (September, that is), and that's just county assessment, not counting all the improvement projects I've done like re-wiring the joint, making it high tech friendly, redoing carpets, floors, trim, and doors, adding a REAL paintjob every year or so, etcetera.

 

In other words, while my portfolio value has dropped due to deriving most of my income from it for a couple years, and funding BIG projects from it since then(meaning I'm dipping into the capital on occasion), my net value INCREASED steadily, since I "fucked up my life", according to 2na.

 

SO, 2na, wanna tell me again how I "fucked up my life" so thoroughly when I've put myself in a position where I can look and live as I like 95% of the time, cover up what society doesn't accept the 5% of the time I need to do so, easily, and am in a position where I COULD spend the rest of my life never going back to work or completing my degree, and live comfortably, if it weren't for the fact that I intend to be able to pay three children's way through college, if that's what they choose, WITHOUT hurting the way I live (very comfortably in the middle/upper-middle class in "things", decidedly "counterculture" in entertainments)?

 

In other words, 2na, I'm already PAST the point your folks hope to be at when you are four years out of college and into a "good job" just starting the struggle upwatrds yourself, and I'm not yet 40. By 40, I'll be back in the workforce, having spent a couple years as a code monkey, just to prove the degree was useful, by 45, I'll be "rich" according to census "wage and earnings" figures, clearing more off my portfolio yearly alone than 90% of the population makes in wage and earnings, and by 50, I won't be doing a damned thing I don't WANT to do, besides paying taxes.