in Espanol??? Que the fuck??? What kind of bullshit is that?

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12440160/

 

What do you think about this issue, and the illegal immigrants. I say that they go back to Mexico.

yea i saw this news report yesterday.

 

oddly enough, the fucking spics don't want us to have bi-lingual national anthem.

 

thats the one thing they do want to keep uni-lingual in this goddamned country.

Thanks to Jefferson and Franklin, there is no "official language" for this country (The United States), so I've got no problem with them doing the Anthem in spanish for a spanish-speaking audience.

 

As for "illegal aliens", we didn't HAVE an immigration policy until the 1920's, so anyone whose family was here before then, I guess, would have to consider themselves the descendants of "wetbacks", unless they were full-blood Amerind.

 

Personally, I've got no problem with REAL illegals...the ones who cross the border, work migrant farming, and such, and ship some money home (or spend half the year south of the border, and live well for that time), the only ones I have issues with are the (few) who cross the border, apply for welfare, and start living off the working public...generally those aren't true illegals, as it's too big a chance they'll be deported, for not fitting the standards for asylum or a visa/green card, usually, those are the second generation cholo assholes...children of illegals born here, thus assured citizenship, and certain that THEY can abuse the system and not be deported for it.

 

 

My hate and disrespect is saved for those who earn it through being willing to live off the efforts of others...I personally respect anyone who will bust their ass to try and make things better for themselves and their family, especially if they have to go through shit conditions and miserable situations, compared to most "legitimate Americans", to accomplish it. I'd sooner do migrant cropping myself than go on welfare, so I have NO issue with those who recognize that the US Farmer can't hire Americans at wages we generally insist on for that kind of work, and still sell their produce cheap enough for most of us to afford it, and then go "but me, I'm from a poor country, so I can do that work for less than half what a Yankee will ask for, then I can come home, and live well, the farmer, he sells his food at prices the other Yankees can afford, and the Yankees can work at jobs that CAN afford to pay the wages they insist upon, without unsettling their whole economy", and come over to do so.

As Psychobud says, your country has no official language so what's the issue?

Hooded, alot of modern Americans are under the impression that American English (or "English", as they call it) is the official language...it's amazing how many of them don't know there isn't one in fact, even though there's one in practice, adiopted due to being the most common "common language", back in the day.

 

The only reason all our signs are in English, and our schools teach it, etcetera, is because, as I just said, it was adopted as the best "trade language", back in the early-on days, because more people had English as a common tongue than Spanish or French, or German....during the mid-1800's, it was a pretty close thing...after the Louisiana Purchase, we ALMOST ended up with French as an "official language", but Jefferson opposed it, and Franklin was out of politics by then (he'd originally pushed for French as our official language, then when met with heavy resistance, switched to the "none" stance)...and during the absorption of the Republic of Texas and adoption of California, we almost ended up adopting Spanish, but the Eastern states were already to calcified in using English as the common tongue....

PsychoBud']Thanks to Jefferson and Franklin' date=' there [i']is[/i] no "official language" for this country (The United States), so I've got no problem with them doing the Anthem in spanish for a spanish-speaking audience.

 

As for "illegal aliens", we didn't HAVE an immigration policy until the 1920's, so anyone whose family was here before then, I guess, would have to consider themselves the descendants of "wetbacks", unless they were full-blood Amerind.

 

Personally, I've got no problem with REAL illegals...the ones who cross the border, work migrant farming, and such, and ship some money home (or spend half the year south of the border, and live well for that time), the only ones I have issues with are the (few) who cross the border, apply for welfare, and start living off the working public...generally those aren't true illegals, as it's too big a chance they'll be deported, for not fitting the standards for asylum or a visa/green card, usually, those are the second generation cholo assholes...children of illegals born here, thus assured citizenship, and certain that THEY can abuse the system and not be deported for it.

 

 

My hate and disrespect is saved for those who earn it through being willing to live off the efforts of others...I personally respect anyone who will bust their ass to try and make things better for themselves and their family, especially if they have to go through shit conditions and miserable situations, compared to most "legitimate Americans", to accomplish it. I'd sooner do migrant cropping myself than go on welfare, so I have NO issue with those who recognize that the US Farmer can't hire Americans at wages we generally insist on for that kind of work, and still sell their produce cheap enough for most of us to afford it, and then go "but me, I'm from a poor country, so I can do that work for less than half what a Yankee will ask for, then I can come home, and live well, the farmer, he sells his food at prices the other Yankees can afford, and the Yankees can work at jobs that CAN afford to pay the wages they insist upon, without unsettling their whole economy", and come over to do so.

I couldn't have said it better myself. :grin1:

Thanks Pysho for that insight. A bunch of people from my school were all upset because they were like "We are wrecking true american culture that has been around for years upon years", Well if you are right and it seems you are, then I can defend my opinion now with facts. Where did you learn of this? School? Or self research?

Its not about blood. Its about people defying laws and getting away with it. If they win one thing they will push for more. Look at Europe with the pakis. Its horrible. Why you think France said stfu to letting turkey into euro union. Europeans get free passes into each others countrys. Imagine the flood of arabs. Now the arabs are pwning france. Face it if this goes through im quiting on america. Let the mexicans pay taxes.

Its not about blood. Its about people defying laws and getting away with it. If they win one thing they will push for more. Look at Europe with the pakis. Its horrible. Why you think France said stfu to letting turkey into euro union. Europeans get free passes into each others countrys. Imagine the flood of arabs. Now the arabs are pwning france. Face it if this goes through im quiting on america. Let the mexicans pay taxes.

So what. Just because it's the law, doesn't mean that it's right. Remember what happened with the Prohibition in 1920's? Maybe in the long run, it'll be a good thing. More people in America means more consumers and workers.

As Psychobud says, your country has no official language so what's the issue?

Are you really that fucking blind?

Thanks Pysho for that insight. A bunch of people from my school were all upset because they were like "We are wrecking true american culture that has been around for years upon years", Well if you are right and it seems you are, then I can defend my opinion now with facts. Where did you learn of this? School? Or self research?

I'm a student of American History, specifically the times near our Revolutionary War (the successful one...we tried earlier, and failed), and the "Old West". I've taken college classes cocentratign on both areas, but alot of this knowledge is the result of self-motivated studies. I've read the full content of the transcriptions of the debates around the framing of our Constitution and Bill of Rights (available through the Library of Congress, largest library in the country, at this time, and ranked amongst the "world class" libraries), though that took me almost three years to finish reading all 14 volumes (and cost my folks $2600 to purchase for me as a gift, my senior year of high school...that was my graduation gift), and have gone out of my way to read anythign and everythign I could find written by Jefferson, John Q. Adams, Tom Paine, Benjamin Franklin (though I disagree with most of what he says...he was a Francophile Socialist, after all, and I REALLY disagree with alot of his politics, I just admire him as a statesman and diplomat, as well as considering him damned smart for someone stupid enough (or blind enough to human nature and advanced maths) to think socialism could actually work in a capitalistic society...but then again, maybe he was assuming that everyone had the same desire and drive to make themselves busy he did, and failed to understand MOST humans will do the very least they HAVE to do in order to support their lives, and a small handful of vices they consider to be enough to make them "comfortable", which is THE fact that has driven social advancement....I never understand how people fail to see that fact, no matter how bright or stupid they are otherwise, when they support socialism/communism or analogues of them.

As Psychobud says, your country has no official language so what's the issue?

you just don't know, because the last place fuckin stupid spics would go is your piece of shit country you fat fuck.

the pledge of allegiance has been sung in Spanish many times so why not the national anthem? I know how demoralizing it seems to Americans because it represents how this country was founded but it still does represent the Hispanics in the nation which could be a positive in making the anthem in spanish.