November 9, 200618 yr Man, wish I had that kinda time. The porcelain throne is the only place I meditate.
November 9, 200618 yr What an interesting topic you have created! I must ask, though, how can one feel a sense of self-achievement from taking a drug? What has been achieved? If your pursuit is merely to be content with your thoughts, and mushrooms have gained this for you, then it would make sense to continue with their use. However, if your "void" is filled only while under the influence of said drugs, whilst other people do not even need the drugs, it raises the idea that a feeling of self-worth can be obtained differently for all people. A simple minded farmer may just be content with growing his crops and providing for his family, whereas a more intelligent person will have been subjected to a multitude of various idea of what contentment and purpose actually is. If this Jesus fellow had never spread his views to others, Christianity would not exist today, just as the concept of one's self having an individual purpose or contribution to life will lead to people questioning themselves as to how to fulfill the contribution. Therefore, humans may not have anything to contribute to life or the divine nature of things, but can end up lost in a search for it, due to their capability to think and reason. For you, quitting your drug addiction and beginning your endeavor of yoga is a great step for you, as they both can provide the same effects for you, but only the latter provides complete security of your life. But perhaps all humans' true purpose in life is not to try and find self-actualization, but to realize that they will find no distinct purpose in their search. If this is the case, then all attempts are futile, and the majority of the population's minds have been corrupted by a paradoxal enigma which has no real bounds.
November 9, 200618 yr Author John_Winthrop said: What an interesting topic you have created! I must ask, though, how can one feel a sense of self-achievement from taking a drug? What has been achieved? If your pursuit is merely to be content with your thoughts, and mushrooms have gained this for you, then it would make sense to continue with their use. However, if your "void" is filled only while under the influence of said drugs, whilst other people do not even need the drugs, it raises the idea that a feeling of self-worth can be obtained differently for all people. A simple minded farmer may just be content with growing his crops and providing for his family, whereas a more intelligent person will have been subjected to a multitude of various idea of what contentment and purpose actually is. If this Jesus fellow had never spread his views to others, Christianity would not exist today, just as the concept of one's self having an individual purpose or contribution to life will lead to people questioning themselves as to how to fulfill the contribution. Therefore, humans may not have anything to contribute to life or the divine nature of things, but can end up lost in a search for it, due to their capability to think and reason. For you, quitting your drug addiction and beginning your endeavor of yoga is a great step for you, as they both can provide the same effects for you, but only the latter provides complete security of your life. But perhaps all humans' true purpose in life is not to try and find self-actualization, but to realize that they will find no distinct purpose in their search. If this is the case, then all attempts are futile, and the majority of the population's minds have been corrupted by a paradoxal enigma which has no real bounds. Before my drug use I lived in a material/atheiest world where I assumed I knew everything about life and that it had nothing to offer me. "there is no point to life, I should kill myself, etc". With psychedelic drug use I now understand that the mind is infinate and that there are higher levels of conciousness which lead to happiness while lower levels of conciousness lead to pain and suffering. Drugs have shown me the tops of the mountains, but it is up to me to climb them. "Many ex drug users turn to meditation, but never has an advanced metitator turned to drug use"
November 9, 200618 yr Quote DerKaiser;402490']What a touching thread' date=' a real contrast to the threads which are posted.[/quote'] qft Really good thread
November 9, 200618 yr I didnt have to read all the bullshit to realize that ur a fucking emo ***got that cant / couldnt handle life. I dont have this void cause i have a reason to be fucking alive. and if you dont realize that within yourself youre bound to contemplate suicide. So fuck you and whatever the fuck you wrote after those lines i read. dont do drugs dont cut yourself dont fuck around in society and find a purpose to be alive have some fucking mindpower you fucking pussy. that goes for all of you Friendly greetings, Rob.
November 9, 200618 yr FattyMcButterPants said: Man, wish I had that kinda time. The porcelain throne is the only place I meditate. :sleep::drool2: and sleep for me
November 9, 200618 yr FattyMcButterPants said: Man, wish I had that kinda time. The porcelain throne is the only place I meditate. I don't think wanking furiously over a copy of Gardeners World counts as meditation. I COULD BE WRONG THOUGH. Good post though from OP, good luck with the meditation and yoga, sounds like it is working for you.
November 9, 200618 yr Drugs are crap man...I'd never use them, just sell em. You just have to find something you're passionate about in life....that's it. I'm a video gamer and I enjoy raging people online. Also, I like selling drugs... its a passion of mine because I feel like I"m playing cat and mouse. Always looking over your shoulder, ya know?
November 9, 200618 yr ishbu123 said: Drugs are crap man...I'd never use them, just sell em. You just have to find something you're passionate about in life....that's it. I'm a video gamer and I enjoy raging people online. Also, I like selling drugs... its a passion of mine because I feel like I"m playing cat and mouse. Always looking over your shoulder, ya know? rofl you fucking retard, did you not learn anything from what was said? This thread isn't about drugs. edit: What other types of meditation have you attempted 1984, besides yoga? you seem to be following the gnostic methods so far, but im wondering if youve ever delved into Zen? i suggest you try and take a trip to the city of ten thousand buddahs (cttb) in california sometime, its a great experience.
November 9, 200618 yr Quote Nineteen84;402478']Before my drug use I lived in a material/atheiest world where I assumed I knew everything about life and that it had nothing to offer me. "there is no point to life, I should kill myself, etc". With psychedelic drug use I now understand that the mind is infinate and that there are higher levels of conciousness which lead to happiness while lower levels of conciousness lead to pain and suffering. Drugs have shown me the tops of the mountains, but it is up to me to climb them. "Many ex drug users turn to meditation, but never has an advanced metitator turned to drug use" Of course there is a point to life, in my opinion, but on a much simpler plane than people may think. Our purpose is the same as other creatures on the planet: eat and be eaten. Of course humans aren't generally eaten by anything, but we maintain our homeostasis with the earth by participating in the natural ecosystem. How can you be completely sure, though, that there are higher levels of consciousness, and not just an imaginary conception brought on by the chemicals causing your trip? I'm not saying your wrong in your belief, I'm just saying it is farfetched.
November 9, 200618 yr Quote theMinkey;402307']thats basically what i do now, the only problem is i have to make contact with people outside. when i make enough money to just be a recluse, i think i will end up doing that. you are going to live a very unsatisfying life
November 10, 200618 yr some drugs give what some people call a 'unwanted spiritual feeling' but in this case i guess you like it
November 10, 200618 yr I completely feel your reasoning 1984. The question that sometimes comes to me directly relates to your story in how you ACTUALLY REALIZE that you're alive and how wonderful that feeling or how hopeless that feeling is since life seems to be mostly sadness. Your best friends, family, pets, and everyone living has to come to an end sometime. All you have left in life is memories and fond thoughts of times past, with no hope for the future. Somtimes when you're alive you don't really notice it, acting on instinct to get you somewhere in life or using thrill as a way to push this farfetched contemplation of life where you'll never see it again. Everything you say 1984 makes perfect sense while it also seems that only a handful of "us" seem to understand this shit. When you realize the size of the earth and how many people are living and dieing at one point in time,whether that point is a year or a billionth of a second, you wonder how many people have achieved this so called "enlightenment" or how many people think about this term and realize its perplexion/simplicity. My only thing to say to everyone is live life to the fullest as many have said before me and don't even think for one second that you don't have a part in life. I'm looking forward to another story or reply 1984, that will help gratify my perplexion and everyone's "ultimate peril" in life.
November 10, 200618 yr on a more serious note, ive never felt an emptiness in my life. cant recall one time where i wasnt trying to achive something, even if very slowly. and once im done achiving everything (which i may well never do), ill just have fun. having fun shouldnt be a hard thing to do... my life is fairly simple @______________@
November 10, 200618 yr spanky618 said: All you have left in life is memories and fond thoughts of times past, with no hope for the future. This is very true, and probably a huge factor in the organization of religions; the belief in an afterlife helps people to cope with their life, giving them something to hope for in the future.
November 10, 200618 yr Quote theMinkey;402307']thats basically what i do now, the only problem is i have to make contact with people outside. when i make enough money to just be a recluse, i think i will end up doing that. I feel bad about it, but, honestly since I will probably fail at achieving this do to my lack of ability to keep to my own moral convictions, I do hope that I become somehow engorged in society like all the other normal blokes. EricDaRed said: you are going to live a very unsatisfying life If it makes him happy it will be the greatest life lived by any man. Quote Sobeit;402736']on a more serious note, ive never felt an emptiness in my life. cant recall one time where i wasnt trying to achive something, even if very slowly. and once im done achiving everything (which i may well never do), ill just have fun. having fun shouldnt be a hard thing to do... my life is fairly simple @______________@ It is a simple plan, but honestly I was never sad until I tried to relax myself of goals. Personally I hate them though I do find them fulfilling as a distraction.
November 12, 200618 yr Hey nineteen84 nice read, I also have done my share of psychedelics I have had the most enlightened experiences with peyote and mescaline, in most instances they were all not as intense as others but I have always felt this "switch being turned on" to some extent, the feelings of having my sences turned up to such a extremely acute level was almost overwhelming at times but it had never led to paranoia or a "bad trip" it felt like somehow all this knowledge and understanding of things from the simplest to the most complicated of lifes mysteries were somehow hidden from me in my every day way of thinking and how I was rationalizing things ,but they had now become perfectly clear to me and was not a mystery at all, without getting to heavy into religion here it felt like I now knew that I was part of some greater entity or power, call it god or whatever and up till then although I was raised a catholic I never went to church or anything resembling being involved with a higher power so I was not too pre-programmed to believe in a omnipotent being , but after and during I just knew there was more to me now. before the trips I was never depressed or unhappy with my life in any way as some have mentioned other than the normal bullshit problems we all face growing up, those feelings of contentment and fulfillment were always there in the background for me weeks and months after each 'trip' and I soon realized that if I would reflect on those thoughts and feelings during times of stress in my life it would help me to sort things out much easier than before, if you have not read this already you might want to check out a book called The Doors of Perception ...by Aldous Huxley it has alot of insight into psychedelics and the different aspects of mind expansion. thx for the topic it was a welcome change :)
