1.The only thing worse than a relativist is an agnostic.

2. Obviously you know little about evolution also. Evolution does not explain a beginning of life, only its progress. The beginning of life only had to be a series of elements for a self-replicating chemical compound. While this sounds very improbable, it is. It doesn't matter how improbable it is, since it only had to happen once.

 

Please remove yourself from this attempt at intelligent debate.

 

 

 

How does it strike you that you're made of non-living elements, chemicals, compounds, and acids?

 

If that is established fact, then why is it such a leap of faith to believe that a random series of chemicals and compounds formed into a self replicating compound, much like a crystal?

 

It is a much larger leap of faith to believe in a mind reading, wish granting fairy that just created life cause shit got boring.

 

 

So, because you cannot explain something or wish to stay ignorant, you make a very broad connection to some cloud land where you pluck at a fucking harp all day?

 

completely agree with you on the fact that a christian god is ridiculous. heaven and hell is also ridiculous. but i think to be a firm beleiver that there is nothing after death and that there is no god is almost as ignorant in beleiving in a magical wish granting spirit. its simply something that you cannot possible know for sure. i believe that there could very well dimensions and realities beyond human comprehension. the fact that the universe is infinite is so incredible, and impossible to understand, and if its not infinite, than what lies beyond our universe. i find this quote quite interesting, well i guess its not a quote, but anyways its from steven king's "The Dark Tower 1 : The Gunslinger".

 

its a long one, so illiterate nine year olds need not apply.

 

The universe (he said) is the Great All, and offers a paradox too great for the finite mind to grasp. As the living brain cannot conceive of a non-living brain - although it may think it can - the finite mind cannot grasp the infinite. The prosaic fact of the universe's existence alone defeats both the pragmatic and the romantic. There was a time, yet a hundred generations before the world moved on, when mankind had achieved enough technical and scientific prowess to chip a few splinters from the great stone pillar of reality. Even so, the false light of science (knowledge, if you like) shone in only a few developed countries.

 

One company (or cabal) led the way in this regard: North Central Positronics, it called itself. Yet, despite a tremendous increase in available facts, there were remarkably few insights. "Gunslinger, our many-times-great grandfathers conquered the-disease-which-rots, which they called cancer, almost conquered aging, walked on the moon - " "I don't believe that," the gunslinger said flatly. To this, the man in black merely smiled and answered, "You needn't. Yet it was so. They made or discovered a hundred other marvelous baubles. But this wealth of infomation produced little or no insight. There were no great odes written to the wonders of artificial insemination - having babies from frozen mansperm - or to the cars that ran on power of the sun. Few if any seemed to have grasped the truest principle of reality: new knowledge leads to yet more awesome mysteries. Greater physiological knowledge of the brain makes the existence of the soul less possible yet more probable by the nature of the search.

 

Do you see? Of course you don't. You've reached the limits of your ability to comprehend. But nevermind - that's beside the point." "What is the point then?" "The greatest mystery the universe offers is not life but size. Size encompasses life, and the Tower encompasses size. The child, who is most at home with wonder, says: Daddy, what is above the sky? And the father says: The darkness of space. The child: What is beyond space? The father: The galaxy. The child: Beyond the galaxy? The father: Another galaxy. The child: Beyond the other galaxies? The father: No one knows. "You see? Size defeats us.

 

For the fish, the lake in which he lives is the universe. What does the fish think when he is jerked up by the mouth through the silver limits of existence and into a new universe where the air drowns him and the light is blue madness? Where huge bipeds with no gills stuff it into a suffocating box abd cover it with wet weeds to die? "Or one might take the tip of the pencil and magnify it. One reaches the point where a stunning realization strikes home: The pencil tip is not solid; it is composed of atoms which whirl and revolve like a trillion demon planets. What seems solid to us is actually only a loose net held together by gravity. Viewed at their actual size, the distances between these atoms might become league, gulfs, aeons. The atoms themselves are composed of nuclei and revolving protons and electrons. One may step down further to subatomic particles. And then to what? Tachyons? Nothing? Of course not.

 

Everything in the universe denies nothing; to suggest an ending is the one absurdity. "If you fell outward to the limit of the universe, would you find a board fence and signs reading DEAD END? No. You might find something hard and rounded, as the chick must see the egg from the inside. And if you should peck through the shell (or find a door), what great and torrential light might shine through your opening at the end of space? Might you look through and discover our entire universe is but part of one atom on a blade of grass? Might you be forced to think that by burning a twig you incinerate an eternity of eternities? That existence rises not to one infinite but to an infinity of them? "Perhaps you saw what place our universe plays in the scheme of things - as no more than an atom in a blade of grass. Could it be that everything we can perceive, from the microscopic virus to the distant Horsehead Nebula, is contained in one blade of grass that may have existed for only a single season in an alien time-flow? What if that blade should be cut off by a scythe? When it begins to die, would the rot seep into our universe and our own lives, turning everthing yellow and brown and desiccated? Perhaps it's already begun to happen. We say the world has moved on; maybe we really mean that it has begun to dry up. "Think how small such a concept of things make us, gunslinger!

 

If a God watches over it all, does He actually mete out justice for such a race of gnats? Does His eye see the sparrow fall when the sparrow is less than a speck of hydrogen floating disconnected in the depth of space? And if He does see... what must the nature of such a God be? Where does He live? How is it possible to live beyond infinity? "Imagine the sand of the Mohaine Desert, which you crossed to find me, and imagine a trillion universes - not worlds by universes - encapsulated in each grain of that desert; and within each universe an infinity of others. We tower over these universes from our pitiful grass vantage point; with one swing of your boot you may knock a billion billion worlds flying off into darkness, a chain never to be completed. "Size, gunslinger... size. "Yet suppose further. Suppose that all worlds, all universes, met at a single nexus, a single pylon, a Tower. And within it, a stairway, perhaps rising to the Godhead itself. Would you dare climb to the top, gunslinger? Could it be that somewhere above all of endless reality, there exists a room?... "You dare not." And in the gunslinger's mind, those words echoed: You dare not.

d0wn, That was some of the most knowledge-filled text I've read in my entire life...

 

And I liked it.

i do not believe but the only thing that really makes me think twice are people that become posessed by demons and what not

 

 

I think that most people that get "possessed" are mentally ill

 

I couldnt believe any of the spiritual stuff unless it happened to me

 

or im mentally ill 0_o

Just to point this out to you guys, and I hope most of you already know this, but the whole reason we call this time the year 2007 is because of Jesus.

 

they actually believe Jesus was born more around 5 A.D. actually

God is a myth nothing more and nothing less...or he's deaf and can't hear the negroes in Afrika screaming for water.

http://www.godisimaginary.com/

 

http://www.godisimaginary.com/video2.htm

 

http://www.godisimaginary.com/video1.htm

 

Awesome site

 

speaks the TRUTH

Evolution because:

 

Religion = faith

Faith = self-deception

Deception = lying

 

Therefor

Religion = Lie

 

Also, knowing there is no God watching your every move FEEEEEEELS SOOOO GOOOOD!

I agree with someone's post on the second page. This is a bad place to argue. Most of you are too ignorant to even bother with.

 

Just a prime example, a lot of people said Adam and Eve are bullshit. Well it's true the bible version is bullshit, but about 50,000 years ago there was an Adam and an Eve, we all carry the mutation on the X/Y chromosomes (x for women, y for men). That's not open for debate, if you disagree you are wrong.

 

But again this is a pointless thing to discuss over the internet and should be saved for in person. That way when we debate and debate and can debate no more, and no one has changed their opinion, I can beat sense into you.

 

Just accept the facts:

 

1) unless you totally agree with me you are wrong.

2) I am God.

3) God does not exist

4) I do not exist.

5) If I do not exist then you cannot read what I type, you are therefore insane.

like I said, praise Allah infidels.

they actually believe Jesus was born more around 5 A.D. actually

 

Thats not the point. He is saying that whether you believe in a christian god or not, your entire timeline and the timeline of western history is based around his supposed birth.

Thats not the point. He is saying that whether you believe in a christian god or not, your entire timeline and the timeline of western history is based around his supposed birth.

 

^ winrar

Evolution

I dont believe in any religion but I do believe that there has to be some kind of higher power, the universe being created is just to crazy for me to believe it came about without some kind of higher power. Dont ask me where the higher power came from.

 

there is a god:

 

http://whatyouseewhenyoudie.ytmnd.com/

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but it is possible to believe in both evolution and religion (religion in this cas ebeig used to define Christianity rather than others such as Buddhism or Hinduism, etc.) I personally believe in both evolution and God and see no reason why it is impossible to entertain both beliefs in ones mind.

 

Evolution + Christianity = Intelligent Design.

 

I believe that God created the univers then let things run their course, but that he contiues to wacth over His creation and will occasionally interefere through means of natural phenoma that occur at the right moment rather then parting the skies and making use of supernatural abilities.

sorry for double post

Intelligent Design is a really interesting theory actually, it makes alot of sense in my opinion.

 

basically reasons for everyone to come and meet on a happy medium instead of fighting back and forth. i would like to hear more about Intelligent Design though.

Intelligent Design is a really interesting theory actually, it makes alot of sense in my opinion.

 

basically reasons for everyone to come and meet on a happy medium instead of fighting back and forth. i would like to hear more about Intelligent Design though.

 

Intelligent Design is a rational theory?

 

Let's bring your stupid ass up to speed shall we?...

 

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/kfiles/b1539185.html

If we evolved from monkeys like they say, why are there still monkeys around?

If we evolved from monkeys like they say, why are there still monkeys around?

 

For the 231451251251st time to the dumbasses, WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS. WE EVOLVED FROM A COMMON ANCESTOR.

 

Jesus Christ, way to rage me wetback.

Dagoat wasn't actually talking about ID, he was being a bitch. ID implies that god took an active role in the creation and evolution of life, wheras some of you seem to believe that it simply means that a god created a universe (Whichever god that might be, there are thousands)

 

Regardless. Evolution is proven. It's a fact. I point you to http://www.talkorigins.org/ , which'll settle all your qualms related to EVOLUTION. As stated by some other people before, evolution deals with the progress of life, not it's creation. We don't know just exactly how life was created, but for those of you who said that it's impossible to form organic compounds from inorganic things, it was done in 1953.

 

Stanley Miller (b. 1930) was a doctoral student working with Urey at the University of Chicago, researching possible environments of early Earth. In 1953 he combined the ideas of Urey and Oparin in a short, simple experiment.

 

He reproduced the early atmosphere of Earth that Urey proposed by creating a chamber with only hydrogen, water, methane, and ammonia. To speed up "geologic time" in his experiment, he boiled the water and instead of exposing the mix to ultraviolet light he used an electric discharge something like lightning. After just a week, Miller had a residue of compounds settled in his system. He analyzed them and the results were electrifying: Organic compounds had been formed, most notably some of the "building blocks of life," amino acids. Amino acids are necessary to form proteins which themselves form the structure of cells and play important roles in the biochemical reactions life requires. Miller found the amino acids glycine, alanine, aspartic and glutamic acid, and others. Fifteen percent of the carbon from the methane had been combined into organic compounds. As amazing as discovering amino acids at all was how easily they had formed.

 

That aside, it's still riduclous to assume any god exists, without any proof. You can make the arugment that there's no proof to disprove any god, which is true, if you assume that god runs the world like a laissez-faire capitalist economy. (E.G. Evil, so why in hell would you worship him?)

 

You could also make the argument that the universe is so complex that god had to have created it, but then if you step back you realize you look like a retard, because it's ridiculous to assume that the universe, and everything natural, complicated as they are were created by an entity even more goddamn complicated than the universe itself. Therefor, god does not exist.

god damn for the last time read what i said and its the end of the fucking thread

god damn for the last time read what i said and its the end of the fucking thread

 

After reading what you said, I can only say +b

If we evolved from monkeys like they say, why are there still monkeys around?

 

They had no need to adapt. They were already the ideal form for surviving.

I am not going to give you my opinion about the way life came into existence, but rather ask a question that noone has brought up yet. For my question's sake I will assume for the moment that evolution is the ultimate answer for the existance of inteligent life in the universe. Because evolution is true the notion of a divine after life must be considered false (stop reading if you disagree, but I think that is a fair assumption). Anyways, if human existance is purely the product of random occurences then what is the meaning of life? Why should I go to school, pursue a career, propogate the species, etc. if everything I do is meaningless? If there is no after life then why do we have any sense of moral compunction, why shouldn't we all start murdering one another? WHY DO I HAVE A CONSCIENCE? Furthermore, if you are a proponent of evolution then why should you care if wars are started over religion? Everyone is going to eventually recycle into nothing, so if evolution is true then life has no real purpose. In the words of the great Tyler Durden, "On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone falls to zero.".

all i know is if there is a heaven and hell..

 

 

Hell's population: 1234567890098765432345678909876543234567890987654321234567890987654321

 

Heaven: 79 give or take