all i know is if there is a heaven and hell..

 

 

Prove it.

I am not going to give you my opinion about the way life came into existence, but rather ask a question that noone has brought up yet. For my question's sake I will assume for the moment that evolution is the ultimate answer for the existance of inteligent life in the universe. Because evolution is true the notion of a divine after life must be considered false (stop reading if you disagree, but I think that is a fair assumption). Anyways, if human existance is purely the product of random occurences then what is the meaning of life? Why should I go to school, pursue a career, propogate the species, etc. if everything I do is meaningless? If there is no after life then why do we have any sense of moral compunction, why shouldn't we all start murdering one another? WHY DO I HAVE A CONSCIENCE? Furthermore, if you are a proponent of evolution then why should you care if wars are started over religion? Everyone is going to eventually recycle into nothing, so if evolution is true then life has no real purpose. In the words of the great Tyler Durden, "On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone falls to zero.".

 

Because evolution is the survival of the fittest, and that is being retards who will in the end kill themselves. There is no meaning of life, we are alive and that is it. I suppose then that the meaning is to survive. We have evolved a conscience cause we are conscious of our state of being, and see the world exactly for what it is, how we fit in, and how best to survive. Killing others is not the way to advance our species, and MOST people know this.

 

 

 

So basically you are stupid.

this subject has fucking been debated to death seriously

 

my view on the religion is that dismissing the possibility of there being a god is just as "ignorant" as beliving in one

i think people in general tend to chose their faith on the basis of human instutions and writings rather than faith itself...and if they can't find anything that fits them they just start preaching this trendy "IM AN ATHIEST U R A F=CKIGN T==L FOOR BELIVIN IN GO=D THAR ISD NO GODDDS!11" bullshit ... and 99% of the people who refer to science really dont know shit what their talking about

 

personally i dont really care, im just going to live my life and see what happens

 

and for the people who desperatly searches for flaws in the bible please fucking stop its silly and irrelevant

Prove it.

 

prove what?

Because evolution is the survival of the fittest, and that is being retards who will in the end kill themselves. There is no meaning of life, we are alive and that is it. I suppose then that the meaning is to survive. We have evolved a conscience cause we are conscious of our state of being, and see the world exactly for what it is, how we fit in, and how best to survive. Killing others is not the way to advance our species, and MOST people know this.

 

 

 

So basically you are stupid.

 

umm why do you refer to them as retards? Let's say I have a kid, and that kid was born with something that improved his quality of life (lets say impenetrable skin or 4 arms, I don't know) and ability to reproduce, he would then become the most fit life form on the planet. His intelligence may be less than mine, but his physical characteristics make up for what he lacks in intelligence. Thus, evolution can or can not have something to do with intelligence.

 

P.S. the meaning of life is to reproduce, look around you, everything else needs to do it to. We are simply here to keep the species alive, no more no less.

All ready-founded religions are complete bullshit, except for Islam and Taoism.

One because the holy scriptures are copied word for word without interfierance of the religious leaders, and the other one because i know jack shit about it.

 

There can still be a God and Evolving life. Its just the Christian church constantly bullshittng us that makes us feel that religion and science are opposites.

read this

 

http://img.tesco.com/pi/Books/L/89/0593055489.jpg

this subject has fucking been debated to death seriously

 

my view on the religion is that dismissing the possibility of there being a god is just as "ignorant" as beliving in one

i think people in general tend to chose their faith on the basis of human instutions and writings rather than faith itself...and if they can't find anything that fits them they just start preaching this trendy "IM AN ATHIEST U R A F=CKIGN T==L FOOR BELIVIN IN GO=D THAR ISD NO GODDDS!11" bullshit ... and 99% of the people who refer to science really dont know shit what their talking about

 

personally i dont really care, im just going to live my life and see what happens

 

and for the people who desperatly searches for flaws in the bible please fucking stop its silly and irrelevant

 

 

Put it this way and answer these simple questions:

 

1.) Science, and Evolution can be easily proven because all the facts can be given the moment it's asked for, i.e. the scientific method and experiments. It all can be proven easily.

 

How easy is it to prove that a god exists?

 

If a god exists, such as say the one in the Bible, why doesn't that god heed our prayers and if not help those who pray, simply answer them? Why do our prayers ALWAYS go unanswered?

 

If our god is omnipotent, transcendential, omnipresent, and whatever else he may be, why does he hurt people? What about all those kids in the Make A Wish Foundation with terminal cancers who barely have even been in this world to do something in which causes them to be afflicted? What about all the people born with disorders? Why doesn't god help them?

 

Searching for flaws in the bible is RELEVANT, as most people try to prove that science is wrong based on the Bible, and vice-versa.

 

 

2.) Science so far has done a LOT more than what the Christian god has done. While people pray for cures to diseases and whatever, science so far has been picking up the slack. Where's your god when you get afflicted with a disease or get that nasty ass flu that has been passing around your workspace?

 

I'm pretty sure if god healed anybody that it wouldn't be going against free will or harming their faith. Jesus supposedly did it all the damn time, how come those "miracles" don't happen today?

 

3.) Science at least tries to explain the unexplainable with given facts, observations. Christianity (or more the people in it) only gives excuses as to why things happen, but none of it's ever proven.

 

 

Now, I don't know if there's a God or not, and chances are I'll probably find out when I'm dead, rotting in the ground. If there is a god, how do we know which religion is right or wrong? Hell, for all we know, the Japanese could be right (Everything has a spirit).

Put it this way and answer these simple questions:

 

1.) Science, and Evolution can be easily proven because all the facts can be given the moment it's asked for, i.e. the scientific method and experiments. It all can be proven easily.

 

How easy is it to prove that a god exists?

 

If a god exists, such as say the one in the Bible, why doesn't that god heed our prayers and if not help those who pray, simply answer them? Why do our prayers ALWAYS go unanswered?

 

If our god is omnipotent, transcendential, omnipresent, and whatever else he may be, why does he hurt people? What about all those kids in the Make A Wish Foundation with terminal cancers who barely have even been in this world to do something in which causes them to be afflicted? What about all the people born with disorders? Why doesn't god help them?

 

Searching for flaws in the bible is RELEVANT, as most people try to prove that science is wrong based on the Bible, and vice-versa.

 

 

2.) Science so far has done a LOT more than what the Christian god has done. While people pray for cures to diseases and whatever, science so far has been picking up the slack. Where's your god when you get afflicted with a disease or get that nasty ass flu that has been passing around your workspace?

 

I'm pretty sure if god healed anybody that it wouldn't be going against free will or harming their faith. Jesus supposedly did it all the damn time, how come those "miracles" don't happen today?

 

3.) Science at least tries to explain the unexplainable with given facts, observations. Christianity (or more the people in it) only gives excuses as to why things happen, but none of it's ever proven.

 

 

Now, I don't know if there's a God or not, and chances are I'll probably find out when I'm dead, rotting in the ground. If there is a god, how do we know which religion is right or wrong? Hell, for all we know, the Japanese could be right (Everything has a spirit).

 

 

Im not sure Id call all of those simple, and why chould god cure the kid of cancer the cancer is trying to survive also if you really want to get into that.

 

The last part is a good point though, if there was a God who says hed even want us to worship him?

Put it this way and answer these simple questions:

 

1.) Science, and Evolution can be easily proven because all the facts can be given the moment it's asked for, i.e. the scientific method and experiments. It all can be proven easily.

 

How easy is it to prove that a god exists?

 

If a god exists, such as say the one in the Bible, why doesn't that god heed our prayers and if not help those who pray, simply answer them? Why do our prayers ALWAYS go unanswered?

 

If our god is omnipotent, transcendential, omnipresent, and whatever else he may be, why does he hurt people? What about all those kids in the Make A Wish Foundation with terminal cancers who barely have even been in this world to do something in which causes them to be afflicted? What about all the people born with disorders? Why doesn't god help them?

 

Searching for flaws in the bible is RELEVANT, as most people try to prove that science is wrong based on the Bible, and vice-versa.

 

 

2.) Science so far has done a LOT more than what the Christian god has done. While people pray for cures to diseases and whatever, science so far has been picking up the slack. Where's your god when you get afflicted with a disease or get that nasty ass flu that has been passing around your workspace?

 

I'm pretty sure if god healed anybody that it wouldn't be going against free will or harming their faith. Jesus supposedly did it all the damn time, how come those "miracles" don't happen today?

 

3.) Science at least tries to explain the unexplainable with given facts, observations. Christianity (or more the people in it) only gives excuses as to why things happen, but none of it's ever proven.

 

 

Now, I don't know if there's a God or not, and chances are I'll probably find out when I'm dead, rotting in the ground. If there is a god, how do we know which religion is right or wrong? Hell, for all we know, the Japanese could be right (Everything has a spirit).

 

 

 

I really didn't want to get myself in an argument cause I'm so fed up with this subject but you made me reply.

 

I didn't write that with a specific religion in mind, it was mainly about the whole concept of a something like a god/force/spirit/whatever behind everything, but maybe I should have made that clearer in my earlier post.

 

1.

 

- Yup science can be proved I agree.

- Religion is about faith not proof.

- There is a lot of people who belive that their prays get answered, not by words but by everyday stuff and such.

- The Christian bible which you probably referred to was written by humans a long time ago, not by god, therefor it's irrelevant since the human is not perfect, it has also been translated and modified many times, only a fool would take it literally.

- According to Christianity god tests everyone.

 

2.

 

- I don't understand how science being a more efficient way of curing diseases rules out the existance of god or goes against Christianity for that matter. And how would you measure it?

- I think miracles is a load of shit I'm not going to defend them.

 

3.

 

- As I said religion is not about proof but faith

 

No one knows if there is a god or not, all of the major religions could potentially be correct as far as I know, even the japanese spirit stuff.

 

I find it wierd how people generally connect believing in god with worshipping god which are two totally different things. People should also recognize that there you can belive in god without being affiliated to any organized religion.

umm why do you refer to them as retards? Let's say I have a kid, and that kid was born with something that improved his quality of life (lets say impenetrable skin or 4 arms, I don't know) and ability to reproduce, he would then become the most fit life form on the planet. His intelligence may be less than mine, but his physical characteristics make up for what he lacks in intelligence. Thus, evolution can or can not have something to do with intelligence.

 

P.S. the meaning of life is to reproduce, look around you, everything else needs to do it to. We are simply here to keep the species alive, no more no less.

 

 

interesting, i never thought of the meaning of life being that. but i think there might be something a little more intricate then reproduction. just what i think though

 

Intelligent Design is a rational theory?

 

Let's bring your stupid ass up to speed shall we?...

 

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/kfiles/b1539185.html

 

i love how you come in here and try to rage me by posting a link thats supposedly going to make me go "OMFG NO! LIES!"

 

#care.

Religion, I don't believe nor do I like to think that the human race is an accident that just happened. There has to be a higher power that created us, the world is too complex for it to have just happened.

 

Thats what I think.

For the 231451251251st time to the dumbasses, WE DID NOT EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS. WE EVOLVED FROM A COMMON ANCESTOR.

 

Jesus Christ, way to rage me wetback.

 

nice to see we have educated users, +rep

 

 

EDIT:

 

just to throw a curve ball out there

We have scientifically proven things before that we now know are not what we though they were (Continental Drift?). But i am really reconsidering my religion.

the mitsubishi lancer evolution is a kick ass car

 

 

evo > religion

umm why do you refer to them as retards? Let's say I have a kid, and that kid was born with something that improved his quality of life (lets say impenetrable skin or 4 arms, I don't know) and ability to reproduce, he would then become the most fit life form on the planet. His intelligence may be less than mine, but his physical characteristics make up for what he lacks in intelligence. Thus, evolution can or can not have something to do with intelligence.

 

P.S. the meaning of life is to reproduce, look around you, everything else needs to do it to. We are simply here to keep the species alive, no more no less.

 

We are saying the same thing you just didn't read it properly.

 

I agree 100% with you as to why we evolve, and the meaning of life.

http://www.godisimaginary.com/

 

http://www.godisimaginary.com/video2.htm

 

http://www.godisimaginary.com/video1.htm

 

I know people who've prayed about having Cancer removed from their body and it has happened. Does this mean God answers all prayers? No, and I'm not going to elaborate on why either. Everything happens for a reason. Theres a plan.

 

And as for the main question, Evolution is the reason why. God is the reason how.

I know people who've prayed about having Cancer removed from their body and it has happened. Does this mean God answers all prayers? No, and I'm not going to elaborate on why either. Everything happens for a reason. Theres a plan.

 

And as for the main question, Evolution is the reason why. God is the reason how.

 

That makes no fucking sense at all. Nothing happens for a reason btw, unless you count chance and human choice as a reason.

 

BTW Choice vs Fate is a good discussion

I know people who've prayed about having Cancer removed from their body and it has happened. Does this mean God answers all prayers? No, and I'm not going to elaborate on why either. Everything happens for a reason. Theres a plan.

 

And as for the main question, Evolution is the reason why. God is the reason how.

 

And exactly what plan is this? What about those kids who die before the age of 4, or even age 1 perhaps because of some complication? Are they in on this "Master Plan"?

 

Nobody know's what this plan is, yet everytime somebody speaks on it, everybody brings this up.

 

I agree, everything does happen for a reason (it's cause and effect, nothing happens without there EVER being a reason) but prayer and God is not the fucking answer.

 

If that were true, it would prove that god is an asshole, and segregates those he help from the rest of the world. And that'd be evil, considering the fact that (based on the bible) he wants EVERYBODY to worship him and him only. Esp. since that goes against free will (helping a few out of many who pray for a cure, while the rest is left to find their own cure)

 

Please elaborate on as to why God doesn't answer the prayers of all and only a few (should that be true).

read this

 

http://img.tesco.com/pi/Books/L/89/0593055489.jpg

 

 

Read THIS

 

http://www.presbyterian.ca/bookroom/images/bibles/holy_bible.jpg

 

I dont see why people flip out about people having religion and faith. We let you be biggots ant not believe, so let us believe.

STFU. Intelligent design doesn't make sense for a key reason: the body was not designed intelligently.

 

Look at the human eye, it renders images upside down and backwards and then the brain has to devote a lot of power correcting it accurately. That's pretty fucking stupid.

 

Or look at blood, humans have made blood substitues over 100x as effective, if God is omnipotent he sure half assed life.

Intelligent Design is a really interesting theory actually, it makes alot of sense in my opinion.

 

basically reasons for everyone to come and meet on a happy medium instead of fighting back and forth. i would like to hear more about Intelligent Design though.

 

"Intelligent Design" is "proven" by the misquoted Second Law of Thermodynamics.

 

I suggest you learn to read, I mean really learn to read, if you believe in this shit.

STFU. Intelligent design doesn't make sense for a key reason: the body was not designed intelligently.

 

Look at the human eye, it renders images upside down and backwards and then the brain has to devote a lot of power correcting it accurately. That's pretty fucking stupid.

 

Or look at blood, humans have made blood substitues over 100x as effective, if God is omnipotent he sure half assed life.

 

 

Thats how camera work too dumbass, its common science.

Thats how camera work too dumbass, its common science.

 

It's pretty fucking stupid, regardless of if it's common or not.

STFU. Intelligent design doesn't make sense for a key reason: the body was not designed intelligently.

 

Look at the human eye, it renders images upside down and backwards and then the brain has to devote a lot of power correcting it accurately. That's pretty fucking stupid.

 

Or look at blood, humans have made blood substitues over 100x as effective, if God is omnipotent he sure half assed life.

 

Evolution my friend.

In a few million years all thse adaptations will have taken hold.

 

You wouldn't even be making this post 3 million years ago as you'd be too busy muching bananas and shoving your finger up a gorillas ass.

Designs for such apes must be pretty "half assed" if they can't even read or invent stuff.

Leopulse;436599']Evolution my friend.

In a few million years all thse adaptations will have taken hold.

 

You wouldn't even be making this post 3 million years ago as you'd be too busy muching bananas and shoving your finger up a gorillas ass.

Designs for such apes must be pretty "half assed" if they can't even read or invent stuff.

 

Are you saying I don't jam my finger into gorilla asses now? Anyways it's unlikely we'll ever evolve different eyes or blood, instead humans will have them artificially implanted.

 

But don't worry, I read a great quote on science. People that believe old theories don't give up their beliefs, they simply get old and die and the new generation is brought up with the updated ones.

 

So take your bible bullshit to your grave.