So take your bible bullshit to your grave.

 

I actually feel insulted.

 

You called me a Christian.

why shouldn't we all start murdering one another? WHY DO I HAVE A CONSCIENCE?

 

If your pathetic religion is what keeps you and others from murdering people you must be a dangerous person and deserve to be locked up.

 

The arguments you propose suggest that the Golden Rule isn't self-enforcing! Do you really think that if people decided to just up and kill random people there would be no retaliation from loved ones or military/law enforcement (a.k.a. Instant Karma)? The Golden Rule is enforced by self preservation; if you piss people off they'll want you dead or brutally maimed. If you don't have a sense of self preservation you're a lunatic and you're better off dead.

 

You can apply the Golden Rule your ten commandments (the ones without the retarded religious dogma).

 

5. Honour thy father and thy mother.

6. Thou shalt not kill.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

8. Thou shalt not steal.

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

10. Thou shalt not covet.

 

Simple Translation:

 

5. Don't piss off your mom and dad or they'll fuck you up when you need help.

6. If you kill someone the victim's friends and family will fuck you up.

7. If you sleep with another guys wife he'll likely fuck you up.

8. If you steal shit you'll anger the owner and he'll fuck you up.

9. If you lie those who suffered from your lie will fuck you up.

10. If you're a selfish prick people will try to fuck you up for holding out.

 

These are simple (golden) rules for anyone who has any sense of self-preservation...

 

Religion is unnecessary. Evolution all the way.

I think the keyword is unnecessary.

And exactly what plan is this? What about those kids who die before the age of 4, or even age 1 perhaps because of some complication? Are they in on this "Master Plan"?

 

Nobody know's what this plan is, yet everytime somebody speaks on it, everybody brings this up.

 

I agree, everything does happen for a reason (it's cause and effect, nothing happens without there EVER being a reason) but prayer and God is not the fucking answer.

 

If that were true, it would prove that god is an asshole, and segregates those he help from the rest of the world. And that'd be evil, considering the fact that (based on the bible) he wants EVERYBODY to worship him and him only. Esp. since that goes against free will (helping a few out of many who pray for a cure, while the rest is left to find their own cure)

 

Please elaborate on as to why God doesn't answer the prayers of all and only a few (should that be true).

 

1. you are asking a human to tell you God's plan, which is like asking a blind man what to tell you waht colour shirt you're wearing.

 

2. You said prayer and God was not the answer, but failed to define the question.

 

3. Retarded argument. As has already been said The Bible was ot written by God it was written by man.

 

"he wants EVERYBODY to worship him and him only." Particularly retarded. The Old Testament portrays God as being the God of all people of the earth, not just those who worship him. If you wish to use the argument "but the bible says this lol! How hypocritical!", which is invalid to begin with, you should at least make sure you know what the fuck it actually says rather than making assumptions based on the actions of Christian conservatives (idiots).

 

4. Why doesnt God just solve everyone's problems? Because, as I said before, God does not cause every single event to happen, in fact, he can not be viewed as the direct cause of qanything other than the creation of the Universe (these are my beliefs, at least). Looking to God and saying "why did this happen" is easy because it alleviates responsibility from the individual and places fault on a divine entity. Granted there are some problems that no one is responsible for, but the vast majority are due to human fault and free will implies responsability.

 

5. Lastly, to you idiots that seem to be under the impression that it is impossible to maintain belief in both religion and science, consider this, Albert Einstein was one of the greatest scientists, ever. In trying to disprove God, he wound up believing in him, precisely because he believed the universe was too complex and there were too many favorable results of supposedly random combinations of things for it to all be coincidence. As you most probably know, Einstein did not assume that the exitence of a God invalidates scientific fact.

And exactly what plan is this? What about those kids who die before the age of 4, or even age 1 perhaps because of some complication? Are they in on this "Master Plan"?

 

 

Natural selection/no money for health care nigga.

"Intelligent Design" is "proven" by the misquoted Second Law of Thermodynamics.

 

I suggest you learn to read, I mean really learn to read, if you believe in this shit.

 

 

 

you really need to learn to read dumbshit

 

i said it's INTERESTING not that i believe it

 

gg fucker

Read THIS

 

http://www.presbyterian.ca/bookroom/images/bibles/holy_bible.jpg

 

I dont see why people flip out about people having religion and faith. We let you be biggots ant not believe, so let us believe.

 

Read This

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/0671867806.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

 

Your religion has been disproved, as well as your archaic dualism.

you really need to learn to read dumbshit

 

i said it's INTERESTING not that i believe it

 

gg fucker

 

Haha! Raged!

 

Edit: Why would I want to read "dumbshit"? I try not to read shit that is dumb.

you really need to learn to read dumbshit

 

i said it's INTERESTING not that i believe it

 

gg fucker

 

amazing what these forums will do to people. flame some one for thinking one thing and they take it back. you should have your own opinion about something, not let trolls choose for you.

if human existance is purely the product of random occurences then what is the meaning of life?

 

Why do people assume that life has a meaning? Its so stupid.

 

If there is no after life then why do we have any sense of moral compunction, why shouldn't we all start murdering one another? WHY DO I HAVE A CONSCIENCE?

 

Unfortunately, somehow ignorant people convinced themselves that morality originated at religion, or even smarter people convinced them that it does. Morality and conscience are a misfiring of reciprocal altruism, which exists commonly in the animal kingdom.

 

Furthermore, if you are a proponent of evolution then why should you care if wars are started over religion? Everyone is going to eventually recycle into nothing, so if evolution is true then life has no real purpose.

 

Of course a purpose exists in an existentialist world. Evolutionarily, your purpose is to adapt to your environment and carry on some proponents of your genes to the next generation.

 

In the words of the great Tyler Durden, "On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone falls to zero.".

 

This has no relevance in the conversation, and Tyler Durden is fictional, so he cannot be great, his accomplishments were false.

 

P.S. Its obvious your just one of the idiots who just saw the movie, because Tyler never said that.

 

 

EDIT: Now that your Leibnitzesque optimistic world has been shattered, make sure you take pics of your suicide.

Jesus was a normal black male

 

Adam and Eve were monkeys

 

btw there are also people who believe in God and evolution

DaGoat makes some good points, as does Spooned.

 

I think I'd rather forget about it all, and when I die I will finally know for sure, because that is the only way we will ever know for sure.

DaGoat makes some good points, as does Spooned.

 

I think I'd rather forget about it all, and when I die I will finally know for sure, because that is the only way we will ever know for sure.

 

You wont know because you wont have the ability to know anything because

you will be infinite nothingness, something to look forward to ej

Haha! Raged!

 

Edit: Why would I want to read "dumbshit"? I try not to read shit that is dumb.

 

really? neither do i, that's pretty sweet.

1. you are asking a human to tell you God's plan, which is like asking a blind man what to tell you waht colour shirt you're wearing.

 

2. You said prayer and God was not the answer, but failed to define the question.

 

3. Retarded argument. As has already been said The Bible was ot written by God it was written by man.

 

"he wants EVERYBODY to worship him and him only." Particularly retarded. The Old Testament portrays God as being the God of all people of the earth, not just those who worship him. If you wish to use the argument "but the bible says this lol! How hypocritical!", which is invalid to begin with, you should at least make sure you know what the fuck it actually says rather than making assumptions based on the actions of Christian conservatives (idiots).

 

4. Why doesnt God just solve everyone's problems? Because, as I said before, God does not cause every single event to happen, in fact, he can not be viewed as the direct cause of qanything other than the creation of the Universe (these are my beliefs, at least). Looking to God and saying "why did this happen" is easy because it alleviates responsibility from the individual and places fault on a divine entity. Granted there are some problems that no one is responsible for, but the vast majority are due to human fault and free will implies responsability.

 

5. Lastly, to you idiots that seem to be under the impression that it is impossible to maintain belief in both religion and science, consider this, Albert Einstein was one of the greatest scientists, ever. In trying to disprove God, he wound up believing in him, precisely because he believed the universe was too complex and there were too many favorable results of supposedly random combinations of things for it to all be coincidence. As you most probably know, Einstein did not assume that the exitence of a God invalidates scientific fact.

 

Refute to (1): It doesn't matter if you or anyone else doesn't tell us the plan, if only the plan made some sort of sense, which it doesn't. Needless wars, unending pain. An altruistic god wouldn't let this happen, period. Not on this scale. Disease, famine... what kind of god would leave his people to die of starvation? What kind of god would let mutated bacteria and viruses kill his people by the thousands, giving some slow and painful deaths? A malevolent god, no way around it. Free will does not enter into the equation; we do not control the course of bacterial and viral mutations, why should it happen the way it does? There's no good grand plan that can account for this much suffering.

 

Refute to (2): The question was, "Why do things happen?". He said god wasn't the answer, hence making him an Atheist. There's no problem here.

 

Refute to (3): I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me. You shall have no other gods before me. The first fucking commandment. Shortened to: "Don't worship anyone else, or face my wrath." Your argument that the bible is also flawed, if god DOES exist, why would he let his word be mutilated to the point where it means what he doesn't?

 

Refute to (4): Again, see things that humanity is not responsible for, and have no real reason to be there. AIDS? Cancer? Cholera? Malaria? Is there any reason for these? We haven't engineered them, and they certainly don't help anyone. You say that the vast majority are caused by human free will, which is only about half-true, I'd say it's actually in the minority. If we didn't have situations of such scarcity in some places, and such wealth in others (natural wealth, you understand), things wouldn't be the way they were. If god had distributed things equitably, things would be a hell of alot easier, for everyone and everythign on the planet.

 

Refute to (5): You are correct, Science and Religion can coexist. HOWEVER, Einstein never tried to disprove god. He never even believed in a personal god, he didn't think of god as anything close to the christian god, he didn't believe in divine jugement after death, or anything of the sort. You'll also note that he's famous for saying "God does not play dice.", while trying to refute Quantum Mechanics. And he was wrong. 'God' does indeed play dice, and all the time. He was refering to god as the general order behind the universe.

 

Still, you do make a good point. Science and religion can co-exist, easily, and conservative evangelicals are idiots.

this is like the argument thread

1. you are asking a human to tell you God's plan, which is like asking a blind man what to tell you waht colour shirt you're wearing.

 

2. You said prayer and God was not the answer, but failed to define the question.

 

3. Retarded argument. As has already been said The Bible was ot written by God it was written by man.

 

"he wants EVERYBODY to worship him and him only." Particularly retarded. The Old Testament portrays God as being the God of all people of the earth, not just those who worship him. If you wish to use the argument "but the bible says this lol! How hypocritical!", which is invalid to begin with, you should at least make sure you know what the fuck it actually says rather than making assumptions based on the actions of Christian conservatives (idiots).

 

4. Why doesnt God just solve everyone's problems? Because, as I said before, God does not cause every single event to happen, in fact, he can not be viewed as the direct cause of qanything other than the creation of the Universe (these are my beliefs, at least). Looking to God and saying "why did this happen" is easy because it alleviates responsibility from the individual and places fault on a divine entity. Granted there are some problems that no one is responsible for, but the vast majority are due to human fault and free will implies responsability.

 

5. Lastly, to you idiots that seem to be under the impression that it is impossible to maintain belief in both religion and science, consider this, Albert Einstein was one of the greatest scientists, ever. In trying to disprove God, he wound up believing in him, precisely because he believed the universe was too complex and there were too many favorable results of supposedly random combinations of things for it to all be coincidence. As you most probably know, Einstein did not assume that the exitence of a God invalidates scientific fact.

 

Sir, I suggest you read the Ten Commandments over again. I guess that website is right, the 99% of Americans who actually call themselves Christian don't read the bible... Garath put it in the better terms than I did. It's the first Commandment .

 

I even know the bible in that little sense, being born into a free-minded christian family.

 

Secondly, God does control everything (assuming he does exist), he fucking made everything here in this damn universe (light and darkness, heaven and earth, hell, animals, people, etc.). Are you meaning to tell me that God isn't the only god in this universe? Or better yet, if god doesn't control everything, then is he not omnipotent like the bible claims? Sounds like you're contradicting yourself.

 

Definition of Free Will: freedom of self determination and action independent of external causes.

 

Violating free will implies changing something that normally could be done willingly by the person themselves, such as love. God (assuming he does exist) can't interfere with love for the simple fact it violates free will; by simply making someone love you messes with that person's will to find their own love.

 

Healing someone who is afflicted with an illness or disorder does not go against free will, as it's an external cause (Unless you choose to get sick, at that point it's free will).

 

And I believe science and religion CAN co-exist. I just believe that the Christianity religion is a bunch of bullshit.

 

EDIT: BTW, If god were to have a plan, should he/she exists, and supposedly we are to follow it, how come nobody knows it, yet everytime something bad happens, the first thing mentioned is "Everything happens for a reason, God has a Plan, Sometimes Good People need to be Sacrificed for the Greater Good, etc."? Sounds like an cop-out, sometimes...

 

Also, by the way, I won't go in on the subject of "God being god of all the people of the earth,etc..." because I remember a passage in there explaining that those who don't believe in god shall not be permitted into the Kingdom of Heaven... hence which is why we (as believers) must teach people unaware. But I'll let you find that answer that question on your own.

this is like the argument thread

 

It makes people think and come up with good arguments :D

Evo FTW....Religion is nothing but a hoax.

 

When Jesus died and rose from the grave he was a Zombie..nothing else.

 

Don't you watch the Evil Dead series?? You die...you come back as zombie boy.

Why do people assume that life has a meaning? Its so stupid.

 

 

 

Unfortunately, somehow ignorant people convinced themselves that morality originated at religion, or even smarter people convinced them that it does. Morality and conscience are a misfiring of reciprocal altruism, which exists commonly in the animal kingdom.

 

 

 

Of course a purpose exists in an existentialist world. Evolutionarily, your purpose is to adapt to your environment and carry on some proponents of your genes to the next generation.

 

 

 

This has no relevance in the conversation, and Tyler Durden is fictional, so he cannot be great, his accomplishments were false.

 

P.S. Its obvious your just one of the idiots who just saw the movie, because Tyler never said that.

 

 

EDIT: Now that your Leibnitzesque optimistic world has been shattered, make sure you take pics of your suicide.

 

First of all this was a very well thought out answer to some very tough questions. Secondly, I never said that morality was a result of religious indoctrination. After rethinking the point more thoroughly I do agree with the notion that altruism and pacifism are displayed by humans and animals alike, so I guess I will retract my statement from before. However, being the most inteligent beings on this planet I think it is amussing that so many people welcome the thought of death (you obviously do because at no point do you address any sort of uncertainty or misfortune regarding your fate). You also say that our only goal in life is to adapt to the enviroment around us, which makes me wonder why exactly we are spending so much time developing new technologies and scientific ideology? Isn't our habitat being adapted to our perceived needs rather than us adapting to the enviroment? Also, I think that if you go watch Fight Club you will notice that Edward Norton's "concious charachter" is never given a name. Tyler may be a separate personality, however, he still exists on a physical level as the same person as Edward Norton's charachter. So in truth TYLER DURDEN DID ACTUALLY SAY,"On a long enough time line the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.", SO STFU SMART ASS! Lastly, I believe this quote has just as much significance as any other literary example. My point in using this quote was that if you are a proponent of Evolution then you must understand that your life is meaningless on a singular level because no matter how far technology is taken it is impossible to escape death without FAITH. Lets just think about it this way for a moment, if I happen to be right and once I die I am accepted into heaven then I have escaped eternal damnation (you'd be getting fucked in the ass for all eternity on the other hand), but if I am wrong and evolution was the answer then I still win because nothing fucking happens when you die anyways so it sounds like a WIN / WIN to me. In other words.

YOU FAIL GTFO PLZ, K THANKS!!!!!

However, being the most inteligent beings on this planet I think it is amussing that so many people welcome the thought of death (you obviously do because at no point do you address any sort of uncertainty or misfortune regarding your fate).

 

That's exactly why I don't address it, it is too uncertain to ascertain.

 

You also say that our only goal in life is to adapt to the enviroment around us, which makes me wonder why exactly we are spending so much time developing new technologies and scientific ideology? Isn't our habitat being adapted to our perceived needs rather than us adapting to the enviroment?

 

1.It's environment.

 

2.Because humans for the most part now live in an artificial environment, evolution as we know it has halted.

 

Also, I think that if you go watch Fight Club you will notice that Edward Norton's "concious charachter" is never given a name. Tyler may be a separate personality, however, he still exists on a physical level as the same person as Edward Norton's charachter. So in truth TYLER DURDEN DID ACTUALLY SAY,"On a long enough time line the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.", SO STFU SMART ASS!

 

1.Just cause you keep saying it doesn't make it true.

2.Actually, the whole point of the book was that he didn't exist on a physical level, but in the id of the narrator.

 

Lastly, I believe this quote has just as much significance as any other literary example. My point in using this quote was that if you are a proponent of Evolution then you must understand that your life is meaningless on a singular level because no matter how far technology is taken it is impossible to escape death without FAITH.

 

1.Faith is nothing but forced ignorance, and it won't stop a bullet.

 

2.Life is meaningless because life began with no meaning, not because you're going to die.

 

 

Lets just think about it this way for a moment, if I happen to be right and once I die I am accepted into heaven then I have escaped eternal damnation (you'd be getting fucked in the ass for all eternity on the other hand), but if I am wrong and evolution was the answer then I still win because nothing fucking happens when you die anyways so it sounds like a WIN / WIN to me. In other words.

 

Pascal's Wager makes me lol.

 

1.So you're saying that, if you believe in this "god", then you'll win either way?

This Wager would only work if there was one "god". But sadly, there isn't. There have been tens of thousands of gods created in man's image over human history, and each one is as credible as the next. Why are you so sure that your god is the right one?

 

2.Wouldn't this god be able to see through your stupid veil of faith, if he does crave stupid human emotions like love, or adoration? Do you consider the god you worship so stupid that he can't see through your attempt to cheat him out of your true ignorance to reason?

 

YOU FAIL GTFO PLZ, K THANKS!!!!!

 

lol raged

alot of people are seeming to forget one key point that keeps him from being able to cure everything

 

 

sin

 

it's a war between heaven and hell, God attempts to control everything. but sin won't allow it.

alot of people are seeming to forget one key point that keeps him from being able to cure everything

 

 

sin

 

it's a war between heaven and hell, God attempts to control everything. but sin won't allow it.

 

QFLOL

 

"God" and "his" giant penis and mammoth balls put the universe into motion. We are a result of "shit that happens" in a drop of God's semen.

alot of people are seeming to forget one key point that keeps him from being able to cure everything

 

 

sin

 

it's a war between heaven and hell, God attempts to control everything. but sin won't allow it.

 

HAGAHAHAHAGAHAGAHAGAHAGHAAHAHAH

evo ownz religion......does the bible talk about dinosaurs?? no??? fuck'em