I do not understand why most americans are so ignorant about politics?

 

The currrent leader has lied to the country about going in a war with a 3rd world nation for his own benefits, everyday american lifes are lost, just because someone wannet to have a bigger bank account, thousands of people have died since we went to war, on both sites, and we seem to forget that iraqies have a right to live as muches as we do. This countrys leaders are so corrupted and self interstead, it goes beyond moral judgment, they found terroism only because to make themselfs look stronger. I will not be surpised if there is a terroist attack coming up before the election to make bush seem a strong leader, and finally make him win the election, if the terroist attack doesnt happen, then im sure, osama bin laden will be found out of nowhere.

 

Why the fuck do we only have 2 people to choose from as president? It seems like the media is pretty much telling us WHO WE CAN vote for and WHO we can't vote for, and at the end, will our votes really matter?Kerry or bush, they are the same shit to me, same corrupted small minded idiots who try to win a buck every oppurtonity they get. Both puppets, which obiously have the same strings attached to them.

 

Why hasent anyone tried to start a revolution? Why are we not getting this idiots out of washington?? Do we have to blow ourself up before we realize what mistakes we are making?

 

fuck.

Why aren't the spanish pissed about the bombings? Why aren't they out for blood?

 

It depends on how one looks at the situation. You make it seem as if our boys over in sand-nigger land are out to do the same to the iraqis as the japanese did to the chinese.

zuzu is right, and thats why i hate america. most of you are blind and dumber than the government, easily influenced and controlable. a sad existence. you say you are free, while you are not. if you want to see real freedom, come to europe. you will be impressed, but there are actually rich countires in the world, that are NOT controlled by the media and corporate world but by the power of the people. in some countries it actually makes a difference who you vote for.

 

americans are always like fuck europe, they dont have a huge army. RIFK (edit: thats actually great, because israel has a huge army too, and theres a terrorist attack every week. man id love to be a jew. i could be sure, that america loves and funds me and that some of my friends or relatives will be blown to pieces in the next months. it's great to be america's ally. isnt it, jose? oh no apparently our spanish friends dont think so. did you know that, when the spanish elected a new government, they withdrew all their troops from iraq?) so if all that is everything that counts for you, then join the army and help bush executing his immoral plans otherwise shut up. and dont brag with your country's nuclear weapons or its numerous soldiers or superior technology. in europe and canada people live at the same or even better standards. you can travel from east europe to west europe without a passport, while you need fingerprints just to spend to weeks for holiday in florida.

 

its fun to make holidy in america, but its also fun to travel to italy, greece or spain. and who needs all the crap you can buy in NYC. i chose my rights over the abilty to chose between 6 different fast food restaurants.

 

/edit: and i love living in a country, where i dont have to be afraid of terrorist attacks. (spain supported bush)

uh...guys...look into things...BEFORE Bush invaded Iraq, Kerry, Duke, and all your current "he's better than Bush" boys were publicly bitching because he HAD DONE NOTHING ABOUT IRAQ'S RUSH TOWARDS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

 

This war didn' happen because BUSH wanted it...it MAY have happened because Cheney, Powell, and Daddy wanted it, but, if you read the quotes from before and during the "fact finding missions", Kerry, Duke, McKenna, and every other loudmouth anti-republican or Democratic presidential hopeful out there was haranguing the current administration because he had NOT "done anything to stop Saddam Hussein and his WMD" (Kerry's words, press release, 2002)..and these same people were bitching about the lack of positive finding regarding Bin Laden

 

Also..any of you with a college education who've taken even one course in economics knows that first: nothing a government can do for an economy can function as anything other than either positive feedback (which can't control anything) or as a brake AND that aside from interest rates, nothing the federal government does economically hits the "bottom line" for between 6 to 10 years..meaning the last four years of hard economy for the little man is the result of CLINTON economic decisions, not BUSH...and the good shit we had going on during Bill's term, economically was the result of the big Bush's and Regan's economic policies.

 

And those of you bitching about the wars seem to be completely forgetting that Clinton had US troops involved in no less than 14 foreign countries were we lost soldiers WITHOUT DECLARING WAR EVEN ONCE in the first two years he was in office...not to mention some SERIOUS, though quiet, infringements on the personal rights of every American, and legislation that made the current infringements possible.

i like this contry for its weed and thats all any thing else its probly the girls that dress sluty

 

"i live n cali and the sluty girls here fucking own"

 

and bla bla bla im high

parasite']zuzu is right, and thats why i hate america. most of you are blind and dumber than the government, easily influenced and controlable. a sad existence. you say you are free, while you are not. if you want to see real freedom, come to europe. you will be impressed, but there are actually rich countires in the world, that are NOT controlled by the media and corporate world but by the power of the people. in some countries it actually makes a difference who you vote for.

 

americans are always like fuck europe, they dont have a huge army. RIFK (edit: thats actually great, because israel has a huge army too, and theres a terrorist attack every week. man id love to be a jew. i could be sure, that america loves and funds me and that some of my friends or relatives will be blown to pieces in the next months. it's great to be america's ally. isnt it, jose? oh no apparently our spanish friends dont think so. did you know that, when the spanish elected a new government, they withdrew all their troops from iraq?) so if all that is everything that counts for you, then join the army and help bush executing his immoral plans otherwise shut up. and dont brag with your country's nuclear weapons or its numerous soldiers or superior technology. in europe and canada people live at the same or even better standards. you can travel from east europe to west europe without a passport, while you need fingerprints just to spend to weeks for holiday in florida.

 

its fun to make holidy in america, but its also fun to travel to italy, greece or spain. and who needs all the crap you can buy in NYC. i chose my rights over the abilty to chose between 6 different fast food restaurants.

 

/edit: and i love living in a country, where i dont have to be afraid of terrorist attacks. (spain supported bush)

 

Awwwwwwwwwww , Sounds like the USA has you raged

 

what's the matter ? US Immigration found you had Lice and wouldnt let you enter ?

 

Next time bath at least 2 weeks before getting into line !!!

PsychoBud']uh...guys...look into things...BEFORE Bush invaded Iraq, Kerry, Duke, and all your current "he's better than Bush" boys were publicly bitching because he HAD DONE NOTHING ABOUT IRAQ'S RUSH TOWARDS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

 

This war didn' happen because BUSH wanted it...it MAY have happened because Cheney, Powell, and Daddy wanted it, but, if you read the quotes from before and during the "fact finding missions", Kerry, Duke, McKenna, and every other loudmouth anti-republican or Democratic presidential hopeful out there was haranguing the current administration because he had NOT "done anything to stop Saddam Hussein and his WMD" (Kerry's words, press release, 2002)..and these same people were bitching about the lack of positive finding regarding Bin Laden

 

Also..any of you with a college education who've taken even one course in economics knows that first: nothing a government can do for an economy can function as anything other than either positive feedback (which can't control anything) or as a brake AND that aside from interest rates, nothing the federal government does economically hits the "bottom line" for between 6 to 10 years..meaning the last four years of hard economy for the little man is the result of CLINTON economic decisions, not BUSH...and the good shit we had going on during Bill's term, economically was the result of the big Bush's and Regan's economic policies.

 

And those of you bitching about the wars seem to be completely forgetting that Clinton had US troops involved in no less than 14 foreign countries were we lost soldiers WITHOUT DECLARING WAR EVEN ONCE in the first two years he was in office...not to mention some SERIOUS, though quiet, infringements on the personal rights of every American, and legislation that made the current infringements possible.

 

Ok yeah clinton MIGHT of helped make the economy worse but do you have any idea how much funding bush put in the military just for Afganistan?

Lol you killed a few talibans and afgan citizen and put the economy in a HUGE HUGE dept.

gg

Awwwwwwwwwww , Sounds like the USA has you raged

 

what's the matter ? US Immigration found you had Lice and wouldnt let you enter ?

 

Next time bath at least 2 weeks before getting into line !!!

 

 

Why America is a shithole. ^ People like this.

Awwwwwwwwwww , Sounds like the USA has you raged

 

what's the matter ? US Immigration found you had Lice and wouldnt let you enter ?

 

Next time bath at least 2 weeks before getting into line !!!

 

 

:grin2:

why would i want to live in america? why would anyone, not living in a 3rd world country want to live in america? name one reason, why i should emmigrate to the usa.

 

i have everything i want, a good and free(!) education, a home, food on the table, broadband internet, freedom and when i broke my arm i didnt have to pay for the doctor. i dont agree with our government, but i live a good live where i am and i would never want to give that up to live america. it could only get worse.

Im gonna laugh when the US runs out of oil. Should happen fairly quickly. All the fatass moms driving SUVs to walmart or to pick up their kids. All the redneck fucks driving their F350s. Those pieces of shit eat gas like a fat american a bigmac. This country is going down. Little dumbfuck teenagers kill each other in car accidents, yet they can't have a beer till they are 21. They can go to war though, at 18. They can kill sandniggers. Plus, where the fuck is the freedom of speech in this shithole of a country. My friend once flicked off a cop, and he gave him a warning. I should be able to tell cops to go and fuck themselves. I should also be able to burn the flag when and where i want. Arogance will eed this country. It will fall like Rome.

Im gonna laugh when the US runs out of oil. Should happen fairly quickly. All the fatass moms driving SUVs to walmart or to pick up their kids. All the redneck fucks driving their F350s. Those pieces of shit eat gas like a fat american a bigmac. This country is going down. Little dumbfuck teenagers kill each other in car accidents, yet they can't have a beer till they are 21. They can go to war though, at 18. They can kill sandniggers. Plus, where the fuck is the freedom of speech in this shithole of a country. My friend once flicked off a cop, and he gave him a warning. I should be able to tell cops to go and fuck themselves. I should also be able to burn the flag when and where i want. Arogance will eed this country. It will fall like Rome.

 

Ever heard of respect for authority? In a way what you say is logical. Everything must eventually come to an end. I fail to see how what you stated will be the end of america, do some fucking research first.

What amazes me is that you live in america, and you think you have a right to bitch about shit freely.

First, you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Second, you're most likely some gay fucking teen who thinks the world is against him and fails to see anything other than himself as something that matters. You obviously don't know what's what, when it comes to real issues. You are not a fucking rebel or anarchist, don't fucking think you are superior to anyone. If it wasn't for this country you wouldn't be bitching so freely.

You are right about one thing though, there is no true freedom of anything. Everything has a limit, freedom of speech now-a-days is limited to who you offended, and if they matter.

To be brief if it wasn't for idiots like you, freedoms wouldn't have such limits, but there would be no control over people (because half of the population is fucking stupid like you). People automatically assume that if they have a freedom they are free to abuse it as much they see fit. Without any consideration for others.

its a good thing that at least a few americans wake up or dont wander blindly through the world. i still havent given up hope, that someday you will all understand why you are hated, and that you can change that without giving up your wealth. thinking doesnt cost a thing, but it seems to be to be too much effort for some of you.

 

 

edit:

faker, you are right about the freedom thing. i cant think of any civilized country, where you can offend police officers. and thats good. freedom of speech is one thing, insulting authorities is another. however the fact that america did something good once doenst mean that everything they do is right. think twice, please.

BUSH NEEDS TO BE LYNCHED HE ALMOST LIKE A NIGGER

parasite']zuzu is right, and thats why i hate america. most of you are blind and dumber than the government, easily influenced and controlable. a sad existence. you say you are free, while you are not. if you want to see real freedom, come to europe. you will be impressed, but there are actually rich countires in the world, that are NOT controlled by the media and corporate world but by the power of the people. in some countries it actually makes a difference who you vote for.

 

americans are always like fuck europe, they dont have a huge army. RIFK (edit: thats actually great, because israel has a huge army too, and theres a terrorist attack every week. man id love to be a jew. i could be sure, that america loves and funds me and that some of my friends or relatives will be blown to pieces in the next months. it's great to be america's ally. isnt it, jose? oh no apparently our spanish friends dont think so. did you know that, when the spanish elected a new government, they withdrew all their troops from iraq?) so if all that is everything that counts for you, then join the army and help bush executing his immoral plans otherwise shut up. and dont brag with your country's nuclear weapons or its numerous soldiers or superior technology. in europe and canada people live at the same or even better standards. you can travel from east europe to west europe without a passport, while you need fingerprints just to spend to weeks for holiday in florida.

 

its fun to make holidy in america, but its also fun to travel to italy, greece or spain. and who needs all the crap you can buy in NYC. i chose my rights over the abilty to chose between 6 different fast food restaurants.

 

/edit: and i love living in a country, where i dont have to be afraid of terrorist attacks. (spain supported bush)

 

im not going to quote every post of para...

but I totally agree with everything he said, well some things not but they are minor and im too lazy to type.

 

para speaks for me.

what the fuck does it matter. Keep living life and forget about it all. We arent the ones fearing risk of bombs dropping on us so fuck it.

what the fuck does it matter. Keep living life and forget about it all. We arent the ones fearing risk of bombs dropping on us so fuck it.

That won't work zuzu will always have his delusional theories, his faggot ass is always on drugs, and whenever he manages to get his boyfriend to stop assfucking him he comes online and types some bullshit.

Guess he has a lot of time to think when hes getting analy antagonized.

Azoruk...can't argue that the hunt for Bin Ladin has been economically responsible, as such, because you're right, it hasn't...it's amounted to about four and a half million for every known terroist killed or captured...woulda been cheaper to hire Russian mafia hitmen to do it for us, for the results we got.

 

BUT. for the money we spent, it created some billion dollars in military contracts that were carried out INSIDE the US...which means jobs and money for citizens...mostly blue collar citizens who work in the factories that got those contracts (military contracts MAY have huge money involved, and much of that money, comparitavely goes to white collar executives...but the executives make up a SMALL percentage of the company getting the contract...so what if the CEO of the company who gets the contract gets $300K a year+? There are 1500+ blue collar jobs created or maintained by those contracts...which means 1500+ salaries of $45K a year being paid as a result of the contract...1500X$45K= six million seven hundred fifty thousand dollars going to the "working stiffs"...who really wins here?)

 

I don't mean to seem like I'm a supporter of the republican party, since I'm not (firmly independant), but I honestly think that any thinking man will avoid putting the current crop of Dems in office like the plague.

 

OK, so the republicans give tax breaks to big companies and to rich men...and they promote legislation that is directly beneficial to the bigger companies. What's wrong with that? Let's think about this...if the government makes it more economically viable or beneficial to the rich bastards who run and own it, to run it in the states, with native employees, who wins? OK...take the reverse...punish the rich for being rich...punish big companies for being big, and successful...make it so they get bigger tax breaks, keep more of their income, and HIDE more of their income by moving as much of the company outside the country as possible..what happens is: the rich fuckers want to STAY rich...and get richer...so they move the company...if they guys hired to run the company refuse to do this, the rich fuckers who own stock fire the fucker, because ALL they want is for their stock to pay off...in the meantime, it's cheaper, and more profitable, for the company's "productive" areas to be situated outside the country...so we end up creating thousands of jobs for Mexicans and East Indians and such...meaning there are fewer jobs for the blue collar Americans...because they're all "outsourced".

 

On the other hand...give a company HUGE tax incentives to build factories in this country...give them tax breaks for hiring Americans...increase government assistance to employee benefit setups...the company now has good reason to situate their new factory in Ohio instead of Mexiico City...it's slightly more expensive to do so...but they KEEP more of their income by doing so. The stockholders then encourage the CEO to make "good decisions" like situating in Ohio...which means the 2500 new jobs go to Americans, instead of Mexicans...which is 2500 more families making it without government support programs...paying taxes that support these "breaks" to the rich, which makes more and increased breaks available, which encourages more companies to keep the jobs at home, which drops unenployment rates, increases average income, drops the percentage of the "public" (meaning people working for their money, instead of taking government money) on public assistance, which perpetuates the cycle.

 

This is what the republicans historically do...make it easier on the rich IF and only if what the rich do is beneficial to the country...they punish them for capital gains that are pure gains (my Dad, who is in the 7 figure a year income bracket, pays about $75K a year in capital gains taxes...which would be like John Q Public paying $7.50 in taxes on every $100 he earned...doesn't sound like much...BUT, if Dad's portfolio didn't consist of many "shelters" which give him breaks because he invested in US based companies and such, his taxes, without the breaks, would be 4 times what they are...which means his money would be supporting companies giving jobs to foreign nationals, instead of Americans....comparitavely, my portfolio results in me paying about $45K a year in CG taxes, because I can't AFFORD to get into the "shelters" dad uses...if I COULD, I'd be paying about $25K a year at my current income, and less, as my portfolio grew...but I'd also be creating US jobs)

 

On the OTHER hand, what the democrats historically do is to make it more profitable to move the jobs outside the country, punish the rich for BEING rich, not for how they do it, then punish all of us, trying to use givernmental support and raises in minimum wage to increase the national average income...and all of this money then comes from you and me, in increased taxes and higher punitive "tarrifs" on imported goods, so the few things still produced HERE can compete...meanwhile the number of people recieving government money increases, as does the amount they recieve.

 

Now, which would YOU rather have happening? Rich fuckers getting richer faster, while jobs you can get become more common, and at decent wages, or rich fuckers becoming richer slightly slower while jobs here become harder and harder to find, higher and higher educational credentials become neccessary to compete for jobs, and more and more people who "aren't qualified" to work in country go on public assistance of some sort or another, while we hemmorhage US dollars into a foreign market because that's where the fucking factory producing the stuff you HAVE to have was located, for financial reasons?

FAK3R']That won't work zuzu will always have his delusional theories, his faggot ass is always on drugs, and whenever he manages to get his boyfriend to stop assfucking him he comes online and types some bullshit.

Guess he has a lot of time to think when hes getting analy antagonized.

 

 

How about you stop flaming and stick to the topic or not post at all. THis is what you liberal ass do, once someone states the obious, you change the topic. Keep watching your cnn dipshit.

 

http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/the_new_world_order/therealreasonf173345.html

 

http://www.totse.com/en/ego/literary_genius/twentyfivewast173046.html

 

read something for a change you ignorant fuck.

zuZu']How about you stop flaming and stick to the topic or not post at all. THis is what you liberal ass do, once someone states the obious, you change the topic. Keep watching your cnn dipshit.

 

http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/the_new_world_order/therealreasonf173345.html

 

http://www.totse.com/en/ego/literary_genius/twentyfivewast173046.html

 

read something for a change you ignorant fuck.

 

I don't watch CNN, I hate it. I fail to see how you can be so fucking stupid, quit fucking worrying about something that is inevitable, if you want to make a difference so badly, these forums are not the place to do it.

 

I understand that sharing your views is one thing. But rellying on some hippie's essays to form your own fucking view of the war is pretty fucking pathetic. It also shows that you are a weak minded fuck.

 

You're the ignorant fucker here. Get off the drugs fag boy, you may actually be able to think clearly for once.

FAK3R']I don't watch CNN, I hate it. I fail to see how you can be so fucking stupid, quit fucking worrying about something that is inevitable, if you want to make a difference so badly, these forums are not the place to do it.

 

I understand that sharing your views is one thing. But rellying on some hippie's essays to form your own fucking view of the war is pretty fucking pathetic.

 

You're the ignorant fucker here. Get off the drugs fag boy, you may actually be able to think clearly for once.

 

 

 

hippie essay? I am doubting your capable of even reading the first 3 sentence on that site, you dont have to be a dumbfuck, to realize that your getting fucked over,

 

Is people like you that keep saying, WHY SHOULD I CARE, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, you are made belive that you can't do shit about it, but acctualy you can do ALOT of shit to prevent this, example, dont fucken vote for kerry or bush, dont fucken vote for a german actor to become sentor of one of the biggest economic states in the world, call in to tv shows, and let your views be heard....... there are alot of things you can do

zuZu']hippie essay? I am doubting your capable of even reading the first 3 sentence on that site, you dont have to be a dumbfuck, to realize that your getting fucked over,

 

Is people like you that keep saying, WHY SHOULD I CARE, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, you are made belive that you can't do shit about it, but acctualy you can do ALOT of shit to prevent this, example, dont fucken vote for kerry or bush, dont fucken vote for a german actor to become sentor of one of the biggest economic states in the world, call in to tv shows, and let your views be heard....... there are alot of things you can do

 

Ok, you missed part of what I said, I'd like you to take sometime and re-read this post and my previous one, maybe then you will understand.

 

I know that it is in a way possible to voice your opinion, but if you're too stupid to sound convincing enough to those you wish to affect with your message. Your efforts will fade within hours of being mentioned anywhere.

I mentioned that this is not the place to do it, I know it's just a discussion but you act as if what you say is the one and only truth.

Everyone is entitled to their own opnions... deal with it.

"if you want to see real freedom, come to europe. you will be impressed"

 

lol seriously your funny you should do stand up!

 

no thanks, i'll stay here and eat prime rib while chucking down a nice cold Corona

Whoever here hasn't actully been to America, should be quiet and eat their scones, and drink their tea... Or whatever it is Europeans do..

MAKONG']Whoever here hasn't actully been to America' date=' should be quiet and eat their scones, and drink their tea... Or whatever it is Europeans do..[/quote']

 

You mean fight the wars while America sits around for years then gets off the obese ass to eventually help?

 

 

YAR THAT IZ GHRUD :fruit: