blit0ng and parasite and all the fags calling america calling the worst country in the world, go live in fucking mexico u ditry faggots. not everything can be perfect and fair, but america comes pretty fucking close.

 

u dont like it, go to russia.

zuzu, what the fuck are you doing discussing your bullshit on these boards? These boards are filled with a bunch of people with too much time on their hands who happen to get a sick amusement out of sending people gay porn and watching them yell. If you want to talk about politics and any other gay shit you think about, do it one of those boards (im sure they are around and you would get more of a response since there are the same kind of idiots there as you are).

We got plenty of Mexicans to pick our Veggies , however we are in Dire need of more Euro-trash to run the shit suckor for cleaning out our Porto-potties . We had Canadians doing that , but they kept eating the odor Bisquit , thinking it was a giant mint .

if you're upset about the situation of your country here's a few tips to help it succumb to a revolution:

 

1. STOP BUYING. The economy depends on people buying shit they dont need, America was founded on that. Through the direct advertisment you see every fucking day it's telling you to SPEND on this and that. Do not buy shit you dont need, clear and simple.

 

2.STOP WATCHING TV. Television and Radio are advertising mediums, if you're gonna argue with this go to school and learn something. Both mediums had advertising as their primary purpose ever since they were developed. Stopping the feed of crap into your mind helps you think clearly and independently.

 

3.STOP WANNABEING. Just because 50 cent is dressed like a dumbfuck doesent mean you have to buy the same overpriced shit as him. You look like a dumbass and think like one.

 

4.CONTROL what you see and the amount. Make your own judgement on issues and don't depend on other people to teach you. Don't be influenced.

 

The system runs on indoctrination and domestication of the masses, avoid that and you'll see the world in a different way. By collapsing the economy you weaken the hold of the powers that be, the more people that do it the weaker the machine becomes until it breaks down.

All of this "my countrey is better then urz LOL," shit is lame. Someone close this thread.

FAK3R']Ever heard of respect for authority? In a way what you say is logical. Everything must eventually come to an end. I fail to see how what you stated will be the end of america, do some fucking research first.

What amazes me is that you live in america, and you think you have a right to bitch about shit freely.

First, you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Second, you're most likely some gay fucking teen who thinks the world is against him and fails to see anything other than himself as something that matters. You obviously don't know what's what, when it comes to real issues. You are not a fucking rebel or anarchist, don't fucking think you are superior to anyone. If it wasn't for this country you wouldn't be bitching so freely.

You are right about one thing though, there is no true freedom of anything. Everything has a limit, freedom of speech now-a-days is limited to who you offended, and if they matter.

To be brief if it wasn't for idiots like you, freedoms wouldn't have such limits, but there would be no control over people (because half of the population is fucking stupid like you). People automatically assume that if they have a freedom they are free to abuse it as much they see fit. Without any consideration for others.

 

Respect for authority? What about police brutality. What about cops gone dirty, or cops that abuse their power. I have seen a lot of that.

 

Oh and don't say I'm stupid. I have lived on three different continents. 5 different countries. And yes, I may be american, but I have seen the views of others, Europeans etc...I'm not some air-headed, arrogant american that thinks his country is the best. This country is headed for destrution.

 

"To be brief if it wasn't for idiots like you, freedoms wouldn't have such limits, but there would be no control over people (because half of the population is fucking stupid like you). People automatically assume that if they have a freedom they are free to abuse it as much they see fit. Without any consideration for others"

 

If our freedom is so limited, then why the fuck call it freedom. It is people nature to take the whole arm if only the hand is offered. I agree that there would be total chaos if everyone could do what they want. But why brag about the freedoms we get, if they are hardly freedoms.

 

Oh and why should i feel superior. I don't consider myself an anarchist. I don't go out and practice what i say here. I talk about this stuff here because I know people here aren't pussies.

 

If our freedom is so limited, then why the fuck call it freedom. It is people nature to take the whole arm if only the hand is offered. I agree that there would be total chaos if everyone could do what they want. But why brag about the freedoms we get, if they are hardly freedoms.

 

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Because obiosuly freedom sells.

 

 

btw why the fuck do u think bush gave all does immigrants a chance to have a drivers license? So they can be registert for the next draft.

America is in decline. It's like the fall of Rome. People interpret the law to fulfill their shallow, materialistic desires. People find excuses for their faults instead of trying to better them.

 

Evidence? One mother sued her son's school. The complaint? "The school didn't teach my son what they were supposed to." after he failed. When teachers said that he was an apathetic student, her lawyer pulled "Since you are his teacher, it's your job to make sure he learns." This dipshit didn't ever do homework, didn't study, and skipped class often, and they said it was the teacher's fault. The most alarming thing is that this mother won thousands of dollars from her son's school system. They fucking won with that argument. What's changed? The kid is still an apathetic pill popping fuckstick who will end up as a janitor for his school and his mother gets to buy new shit that they most likely didn't need. You can't tell the mother the real reason he failed, the fact that she is a lousy parent, because the mother doesn't care. She just wanted money.

 

Politicians, instead of protecting freedoms and keeping the people safe from outside threats, are using the people as a way to further themselves. People that obey you without much question ( If you disagree with something that most people are for, you're labled a "traitor" in America ) is a good personification of the word "Power", especially when you happen to have America's production behind those people. ( BTW, anyone that says that America is the "world's greatest nation" is a dipshit. That phrase is derived from America's gross national product and doesn't take into account the people's health, well-being, or happiness. )

 

People are giving "The law" substance, as if it were a solid, physical thing that must be obeyed when most of it is a collection of biased opinions that self-requires retribution if it isn't followed.

 

1% of the population controls 99% of the money. Money that just sits still, doing nothing. Bill Gates has billions of dollars that aren't being circulated in his demimonoply. Why can't he put more of that money to work making sure everyone gets something to eat or has a home? Fuck you rich pieces of shit. It's not like you can take that money with you when you die.

 

 

FUCK FUCK FUCK THINKING ABOUT WHAT AMERICA IS LIKE TODAY RAGES ME.

 

1% of the population controls 99% of the money. Money that just sits still, doing nothing. Bill Gates has billions of dollars that aren't being circulated in his demimonoply. Why can't he put more of that money to work making sure everyone gets something to eat or has a home? Fuck you rich pieces of shit. It's not like you can take that money with you when you die.

 

 

 

sits still my fucking ass...apparantly you've never handled any sort of investing.

 

you don't get rich sticking your money in a savings account at 2.75% or in CDs at 5%, dude...and you don't stay rich by having a signifigant portion of your net worth sitting in liquid form.

 

Your example of Gates...he's WORTH about 140 billion dollars...his liquid assets are about .04% of that (about 6 million in cash or negotiables)... the rest is in real estate and various investments, most of which goes back into MS...when he makes these huge "contributions" it's a signifigant financial move, as he dumps literally a billion dollars worth of stock onto the market in order to free the cash...which means there's a billion dollars worth of shares in whatever companies suddenly available for purchase...which, believe it or not, actually hurts the stocks for the period they're being traded. Basic law of supply and demand...take any HS level econ class for explanation.

 

Guess what that money is DOING while it's "sitting there" in stocks? Invested money is what's used to further any corporate research, development, product development, so on, and so forth...that's WHY companies sell stock to begin with, to raise the money to "do the next thing"...they pay salaries out of it, space rent, mortgages, and all the expenses incurred by a project that hasn't gotten to the "fiscally viable" stage yet.

 

Yes, 1% of the population "controls" 90% of the cash flow...how many people actually have the understanding and abilities it takes to run a multi-billion-dollar-a-year company? Not many. Most people have a hard enought time keeping their own HOUSEHOLD out of debt, and operating in the black...would you really want to work for a company run by the guy who works next to you at your job, bitching about how the "big boys" are fucking shit up, while he's struggling to raise two kids and a wife, pay alimony to two ex-wives, and child support for his 2 kids by those ex-wives, and is trying to stave off filing bankruptcy for the third time in 20 years? How good a job do you think that genius is actually going to do at keeping the company running profitably, keeping products competative, jobs intact, wages fair, and benefits high? Or do you think, like I do, that it's far more likely he'd pay himself a rediculous wage, so he could aford all the mistakes he's been making anyhow, make the same sort of mistakes in a bigger scale, and run the company into the ground the same way he's run his personal finances?

 

 

 

To use myself as an example...I busted ass for 8 years in car sales, and F&I ("business manager" for a dealership), and lived at about a quarter of my actual income, because that's what I could COUNT on making in a bad month. Every guy I worked with BUT myself, and two others lived as high on the hog as they could, and were hurting when they had two bad months running...hurting to the point of repossessed cars, and such. This is typical of the business. After 8 years of doing this, I not only had been promoted above 90% of the guys I'd worked with, but had enough cash invested where it was making me more money that I was able to quit working 70+ hour weeks (on commission, you gotta be there to make money), and go back to school, which is what I chose to do. One of the others who was doing basically the same thing I did, moneywise...but he stayed in the car biz...two years later, I'm starting to dip into my capital to support my lifestyle, and he just bought a 2 million dollar dealership, which will pay him a GM salary (about $300K a year base, in that size store), plus standard bonuses (about a half million a year, in a good year, in that size store), plus it will pay him all the profit he can make...but before profit, he has to pay house mortgage, store mortgage, lot fees, shop costs (the repair shop is a losing deal in almost any dealership), non-factory advertising, and all the other costs it will take for him to keep his current customer base, and build a new one. What I'm saying here is: HE has a net worth well over the 10 million dollar mark, on paper, now...but he's lucky if he can actually see more than a third of a million a year of it, without losing some of the "net" in that 10 million dollar worth, on the other hand, I took my money and ran, and could actually SPEND my net worth within four days if I wanted...but I'd then be broke, and have to spend another 8 years busting ass to get back to where I am...in the meantime, I invest my money so other companies can put it to work, who pay me for the privledge...it's not "sitting aroudn doing nothing" EVER...only the small man puts his money in a sock under the matress where it actually isn't put to work making more money.

You're right: I'm ignorant of how businesses are run. I don't know stocks, I don't know bonds.

 

What I do know is that money is being spent to make rich companies richer while people starve.

 

The thing is, I also know that most of the people that are starving are lazy, good for nothing pieces of shit that take honest people's money through the welfare system and buy drugs and that Gates worked his ass off to get where he is. That's why communism, in addition to corruption, didn't go over well: Why should people work hard if they don't get anything out of it?

 

I guess that's life: How much money you make depends some on the work you do and some on luck.

 

On second thought, all of the problems I mentioned earlier come can be explained in one simple saying: "Some people have, other people have not."

^^^^should we listen to this guy when he has a guy who shot himself in the head b/c he was surrounded in his sig?

I can't argue with that, pr0n. But, the thing that drives me nuts is that, in this country at least, anyone actually willing to work for their money literally cannot starve.

 

OK, you can lose your house, if you had a mortgage that REQUIRED you keep an income over $60K a year to meet it. But I haven't seen anyone making under $7.25 an hour in two years, including McDonald's employees. An adult workign full time at that "minimum" wage brings in $14.5K a year before taxes...even for a single adult, THAT qualifies for assisted housing and food stamps, but it's not NEEDED for a single adult making that "little" money. And that's at minimum wage...I had plumbers and carpenters living in the same neighborhood I was in when I was in sales, so I KNOW anyone who works any "skilled" job can make good money. They don't like heavy physical work? Well shit, man, anyone who actually works at selling cars or real estate is gonna make at least $50K a year, it doesn't require a college education, heavy lifting, or any skill other than looking nice enough to be trustworthy while you're talking out your ass, to distract them from anything but their desire to own something "new".

 

I honestly think anyone who NEEDS state assistance for any reason other than totally debilitating disease in THIS country really is either inexcusably lazy, dangerously stupid, or REALLY needs to reorder their priorities...I mean what SHOULD be a worse hit to your pride...not being able to buy a big screen TV on your earnable salary, or having to walk into a government office, and not only admit, but put onto paper record, that you're so worthless that you can get a better lifestyle from state money paid to those who "can't" than you can earn yourself?

PsychoBud']I can't argue with that, pr0n. But, the thing that drives me nuts is that, in this country at least, anyone actually willing to work for their money literally cannot starve.

 

OK, you can lose your house, if you had a mortgage that REQUIRED you keep an income over $60K a year to meet it. But I haven't seen anyone making under $7.25 an hour in two years, including McDonald's employees. An adult workign full time at that "minimum" wage brings in $14.5K a year before taxes...even for a single adult, THAT qualifies for assisted housing and food stamps, but it's not NEEDED for a single adult making that "little" money. And that's at minimum wage...I had plumbers and carpenters living in the same neighborhood I was in when I was in sales, so I KNOW anyone who works any "skilled" job can make good money. They don't like heavy physical work? Well shit, man, anyone who actually works at selling cars or real estate is gonna make at least $50K a year, it doesn't require a college education, heavy lifting, or any skill other than looking nice enough to be trustworthy while you're talking out your ass, to distract them from anything but their desire to own something "new".

 

I honestly think anyone who NEEDS state assistance for any reason other than totally debilitating disease in THIS country really is either inexcusably lazy, dangerously stupid, or REALLY needs to reorder their priorities...I mean what SHOULD be a worse hit to your pride...not being able to buy a big screen TV on your earnable salary, or having to walk into a government office, and not only admit, but put onto paper record, that you're so worthless that you can get a better lifestyle from state money paid to those who "can't" than you can earn yourself?

 

Truth is though, millions of people WANT to work...but there are just no jobs. And some people work their ASSES off, are honest and hardworking, yet make shit for money. Ever read nickel and dimed: on not getting by in america? Yeah, hardworking poeple, in some cities, can't even make enough money to support THEMSELVES, not a family.

I fucking hate political threads. Too much fucking reading. I believe in 'summarizing'.

PsychoBud, you assume, that the government actually tries to do anything they can to make america a better place. And you talk about tax incentives for companies that produce in the us, while only a few companies actually do. actually some companies dont even run a single factory in america.

 

and that while i can clearly see the benefits. if you produce in america, you can always bitch to the gov to change certain laws that would require you to lose profit (i.e. not pouring pure poison in the drinking water). so if the company is unhappy with something, they can always come crying to the government, since it was them who made the election of bush possible.

 

on the other hand i dont blame bush for doing the wrong thing. you dont slap an infant, if he doesnt know the president of one of those awful foreign countries a real american doesnt give a fuck about or chokes on a bretzel, or do you?. and only because he didnt fight in vietnam doesnt mean he cant run around in his texas air guard uniform pretending to be a hero. no way, how could one be so cruel. george is a poor misunderstood ape-child that needs love.

 

Your arguements werent all wrong and you got a point there. But the good intentions of your government are nothing but assumptions.

 

 

PS: faker is posting nothing but bullshit, but hes right about one thing: yuo can hardly discuss such a topic on myg0t forums, because there are mostly underaged, uneducated morons here, who dont have a clue and never will have.

parasite']

 

PS: faker is posting nothing but bullshit, but hes right about one thing: yuo can hardly discuss such a topic on myg0t forums, because there are mostly underaged, uneducated morons here, who dont have a clue and never will have.

 

 

 

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I suggest http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/index.php

since most of you have killed this thread with boring arguments "oh america is going to destroy itself, i can't wait while i sit in my puter and lolz" i have found hope in that psychobud was a former car dealer manager, maybe you can pass tips on what to do as a buyer to get a good deal. is it true that the best time to "buy" not look, but buy a car is at the end of the month? when is the best time to buy a car?

 

 

this is you isn't it blitong. why do people make it their business what other people drive? mind your own buisness.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/17/crime.suvs.reut/index.html

dont buy a car that was made on monday

 

the dude makin it was hungover from the day before

 

thx have a good day

lol i heard about people who work on mondays make shittier cars, but then i saw a report that said that wasn't true, but its common sense that people slack off on mondays, if not everyday huh. when i was admin of school all i did was play counter-strike all day, and if i had a problem i would call consultants and they would come and fix it for me :D

 

hehehe i remember coming to work all stinky cause i was too lazy to get up early and take a shower. those were the good days.

LetDown, I can give you a passel of tricks.

 

Visit the lot three or four times...the first two times, ask the salesman when they get paid, as if ou're considering applying there...different stores do it at different times, and the "month" for a delaership is based on that.

 

Basically, if a store pays on the 5th and 20th, with the "draw" check on the fifth, the best time to buy from them is going to be the middle of the month...if the first check is the "real" check, and the "draw" is the second check, then end of the month is when you want to buy from them.

 

Also..dealerships make extra money off the "points" they charge in a loan (meaning the bank buys the loan at 7% and the contract charges the buyer 13%...the bank and they dealership split the profits on the extra interest)...so you can screw the shit out of a dealership by arranging your financing ahead of time, then going in and NOT telling them you've done so. Then, when actually negotiating the price of the car, you act like you're focused on PAYMENT...keep telling them the payment is too high until they drop the base proce of the car lower than you expected (they expect to make the losst front end profit back in the contract)...sign the deal when the base proce is low enough, and wait until you're in the "Business office" to tell them you've got your own financing...sign the contract they set up for you, but write "without prejuduice" under your sig, which guarentees you the right to come in with a bank check for the price of the car, and "buy the contract" back.

To speak my mind. Personally I think it's better for us not to get involed into politics. Yes then that means nothing will change but who gives a fuck. Even some of us give a fuck about Bush and him turning the US into Japan (*cough* what Japan did to China, gonna soon be < what Bush does to Iraq). I think we should just all be thankful that we're in safe places and have access to a lot of things that people don't have. DOn't get me wrong though, if a revolution started and it looks like things might change..I'd side with the revolution. But until something like that happens, lets just not give a fuck.

parasite']zuzu is right, and thats why i hate america. most of you are blind and dumber than the government, easily influenced and controlable. a sad existence. you say you are free, while you are not. if you want to see real freedom, come to europe. you will be impressed, but there are actually rich countires in the world, that are NOT controlled by the media and corporate world but by the power of the people. in some countries it actually makes a difference who you vote for.

 

americans are always like fuck europe, they dont have a huge army. RIFK (edit: thats actually great, because israel has a huge army too, and theres a terrorist attack every week. man id love to be a jew. i could be sure, that america loves and funds me and that some of my friends or relatives will be blown to pieces in the next months. it's great to be america's ally. isnt it, jose? oh no apparently our spanish friends dont think so. did you know that, when the spanish elected a new government, they withdrew all their troops from iraq?) so if all that is everything that counts for you, then join the army and help bush executing his immoral plans otherwise shut up. and dont brag with your country's nuclear weapons or its numerous soldiers or superior technology. in europe and canada people live at the same or even better standards. you can travel from east europe to west europe without a passport, while you need fingerprints just to spend to weeks for holiday in florida.

 

its fun to make holidy in america, but its also fun to travel to italy, greece or spain. and who needs all the crap you can buy in NYC. i chose my rights over the abilty to chose between 6 different fast food restaurants.

 

/edit: and i love living in a country, where i dont have to be afraid of terrorist attacks. (spain supported bush)

Not sucking dick or something but

I agree,200%.

bla bla same shit new day.

 

Get over it,most of you are young and will see its just the way the world work these days.We dont have a choice,half the ppl in the country do not vote nor are register to do so.And those of us that do still get what others payed for.

you keep whining about your government and yet you're the people that live and work in it. If you don't like it take actoin instead of bitching.

since most of you have killed this thread with boring arguments "oh america is going to destroy itself, i can't wait while i sit in my puter and lolz" i have found hope in that psychobud was a former car dealer manager, maybe you can pass tips on what to do as a buyer to get a good deal. is it true that the best time to "buy" not look, but buy a car is at the end of the month? when is the best time to buy a car?

 

 

this is you isn't it blitong. why do people make it their business what other people drive? mind your own buisness.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/17/crime.suvs.reut/index.html

 

Huh? WTF does that have to do with anything. I'm just saying that huge trucks and SUV's that eat a lot of gas are unnessecary. I mean, if some farmer where to use his f350 to carry shit over long distances and stuff; if someone used these massive cars to do work, i have probably no problem. I just don't like rednecks and people who's manhoods are challenged that go out and buy a huge pickup just because it's big and "manly."