Posted March 21, 200421 yr http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=359153&perpage=30&pagenumber=1 look at that post they say they can ban cheaters on the master server so your MAC adress, IP adress AND CDkey will get banned permanetly if you cheat... like this http://www.imageshack.us/img2/7299/banned1.JPG BUT who reports the "cheats" ? it must be the unreal 2004 server you are playing at, that means a server owned by a private person right? So that would mean that I could use a hacked ut 2004 server program and perma ban ppl that play on my server, FROM THE WHOLE GAME! that would pwn, and they would have to remove the ban-system right?
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March 21, 200421 yr easy to fix take em to court or tell them u bought the game so that means u can do any thing with the game as u please what there doing is ileagal
March 21, 200421 yr With the money it would take to actually take them to court, you could have just bought the game again....or taken the time to attain more cd keys.
March 21, 200421 yr i seriously doubt they can globally ban you the game company would never allow that because of the multitude of legal issues associated with it, and also the potential for abuse
March 22, 200421 yr Blocky's right...and no, they wouldn't be able to ban by MAC address...for mutliple reasons. The guy who posted that part was just a freaking moron...all they can effectively do is ban particular keys. I'm gonna enjoy seeing what happens when they globally ban the wrong fucker...some kid whose daddy is a lawyer who sees a quick buck to be made, or some such :)
March 22, 200421 yr LOL if they put it in the TOA then its perfectly legal. if you agree its like signing a contract. shit if they put "we will own your soul" in the TOA and you agree to it then guess what =). shit diablo 2 does it on realms. if you hack then they ban your key from realms =) rage on....rage on
March 22, 200421 yr if u want them to unban u take em to court or just say i well hack your shit like the vale people that had hl2 stolen so yea or u can just play n difrent severs
March 22, 200421 yr easy to fix take em to court or tell them u bought the game so that means u can do any thing with the game as u please what there doing is ileagal I'm sure it's specified in the EULA that they can ban you for no fucking reason at all. No, it's not a legal dilemma unless you want to take a case to the supreme court arguing against software licensing agreements.
March 22, 200421 yr LOL if they put it in the TOA then its perfectly legal. if you agree its like signing a contract. shit if they put "we will own your soul" in the TOA and you agree to it then guess what =). shit diablo 2 does it on realms. if you hack then they ban your key from realms =) rage on....rage on Not entirely true. Just like you can't contractually obligate sex in a marriage contract, you can't enforce something that's already got legal precedence making the TOA illegal. All that Blizz does is say "you can't use our servers if WE catch you cheating"...since their servers are the only place to play, this works. UT2K4 uses privately supported servers, and what they are saying, basically, is that if some random server owner reports you for "cheating", they can decide to globally ban you from using the game you paid for. They aren't requiring any specific qualifications from the reporting agencies, they aren't requiring that they check up, and have undeniable proof of "modified game play"...and they even SUPPORT certain modifications and personalizations of the game setup individuals use. By supporting certain modifications, they are obligating themselves to allow users to modify the game. I'd like to see them make a distinction to a 60 year old judge between the "alternative models" and such they allow and blatant cheats, in a courtroom setting. And with the amount in rewards, punitive damages, and such that could potentially be awarded, it would be well worth some cheater's time to contest the TOA and any ban that results from anything other than a detection setup made by the game designers, and required as part of gameplay. Also...read up on what makes a contract legal in the USA ( http://www.findlaw.com might help you here). Most gamers install the game themselves...and you'll find that most gamers CAN'T legally enter any sort of binding contract. Even if you check "yes I'm over 18", if you lied, and are under 18, you can't be held to a contract legally, not AS a contract...plus EULA and TOA are really fuzzy areas. legally...there's been plenty of court action proving that they are NOT legally contracts, nor are they enforceable as such.
March 22, 200421 yr PsychoBud']Blocky's right...and no, they wouldn't be able to ban by MAC address...for mutliple reasons. The guy who posted that part was just a freaking moron...all they can effectively do is ban particular keys. I'm gonna enjoy seeing what happens when they globally ban the wrong fucker...some kid whose daddy is a lawyer who sees a quick buck to be made, or some such :) How come VALVe never got sued for wrongfully banning people?
March 22, 200421 yr because Valve didn't start doing global bans until they instituted VAC, which is a required addon to be an "authorised" server. Since the global bans only take place if a cheat is detected by a program designed by the company liscensing the software, they can get away with denying access...though even in that case, I'd like to see what a court actually thought of it.
March 23, 200421 yr Author actually they did ban. BUT THATS NOT THE QUESTION HERE. I wanna know can I have an hacked private server (works for CS too) where I can get honest ppl banned globally, by sending the same data as for cheaters to the master server? That would be really cool to get innocent ppl banned :)
March 23, 200421 yr doubt it user...but from what that forum was saying, it might be possible, with a little finessing. And I wasn't denying that they'd banned...I'm saying that IF someone makes a ruckus about it in court, they'll probably end up winning big.
