Posted March 29, 200421 yr http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,62830,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1 A draft bill recently circulated among members of the House judiciary committee would make it much easier for the Justice Department to pursue criminal prosecutions against file sharers by lowering the burden of proof. What the fuck is this shit? That's like saying someone is guilty of murder just because he was found with a knife in his hand. The Recording Industry Association of America and the Motion Picture Association of America welcomed the Pirate Act. Hmm... I wonder why... "I commend Senators Patrick Leahy and Orrin Hatch for their vision and leadership in combating the theft of America's creative works," said Jack Valenti, MPAA's chief executive. asshole Is there anything we can do to stop this stinky and ugly bill from being passed?
March 29, 200421 yr it wont matter what bills they pass, is still going to be around. Just like drugs, warez, and all the other goodies
March 29, 200421 yr Author The bill, obtained Thursday by Wired News, also would seek penalties of fines and prison time of up to ten years for file sharing. File sharing... What a heinous crime that is.. Jesus, some murderers even get less time then that.
March 29, 200421 yr It's all about money. Despite the fact that people think that its not that big of a deal, as soon as it starts to affect the pocketbooks of the upper class it is looked at as if it is almost as bad as some of the other crimes. Like zuzu said its always going to be around. Basically because pirates own everything even ninjas.
March 29, 200421 yr :fingers: yet another act of trying to take away our freedoms to do what we like.
March 29, 200421 yr :fingers: yet another act of trying to take away our freedoms to do what we like. Dumbfuck, you dont have the "right" to steal copyrighted software/video/audio. I agree with you guys that it is fucking stupid and is pointless because it will still be around anyways but to say they are taking away a right is fucking retarded.
March 29, 200421 yr OK..let me start off by saying I think P2P should be legal...but I understand if it needs to be regulated and charged for, and some of the proceeds sent to the companies who produce the "items" traded via P2P. BUT... Free file sharing isn't just part of your "right to do what you want"...as a matter of fact, there is no such right...and your personal freedoms to "fo as you want" END the instant the infringe upon anyone else's rights, legally...and they always have. By copyrighting something, you have staked, and proven claim to, intellectual property...you have a RIGHT to the proceeds from it after that...and a right to control distribution, etc, etc. I mean...how would any of you feel if YOU invested thousands of hours into desiging a game, borrowed a couple million dollars to mass produce it, market it, and so on, HAD to pay that money back, no matter what happened to you, short of bankruptcy, which would mean giving up your house, your car(s), your credit cards, and any other assets you had, and not having a snowball's chance in Phoenix in July of replacing them with something similar for at LEAST 7 years...and then the instant you released it for sale, the first guy who bought your $50 game made an image of it, and posted it on a P2P server...and within a week, anyone who wanted it could have it for the buck a blank CD cost them, instead of paying you your $50? OR, if you spent a year working full time to write a book, living off your savings, just to have some jackass copy it into an unauthorised e-book immediately, so you didn't make enough to even cover the publisher's $3000 advance to you? Nice, eh? A year of working full time to make $3,000 total? OR, if you were a musician, who due to lack of record sales, couldn't take time off from touring to write, compose, and practice/publish any new songs, if you wanted to make enough money to get to the point you could produce your own records and promote your own concerts, so you didn't have to pay 95% of the income from your art to leeching managers, promoiters and producers? How long would your carreer last if you only got to put out ONE popular album, and had to make enough off of touring that ONE album (just touring, not off the album itself) to provide enough money to YOU that you could afford for the whole band to take off six months or a year to compose new material, then have enough left over to get the wheels rolling on the NEXT album, just so you could tour off THAT one long enough to do it again? (the days of the multimillion dollar rock star would be over, for damned certain) I'm not saying that the largest portion of money paid for a CD, game, or book doesn't go to parasitic leeches who don't DO anything worth the percentage of the proceeds they get, comparitavely...nor am I saying that the producers, publishers, agents, and such should get paid as outrageously as they do...they shouldn't...someone managing one big name band should make about as much yearly from doing so as someone managing a largish sales area for a product vendor...a producer who has one BIG name to his credit should only make about as much as a local goods producer, and so on, and so forth, if you're going to keep things balanced....but what I AM saying is that P2P DOES hurt the "artist", at the same time that it deprives the parasites who SHOULD be deprived of their leeched income. Personally, I'd be willing to see it set up so that P2P was legal as a sunbscription service, where you had to pay either a monthly fee to belong to the "club", or where you were charged by the amount of data you downloaded...so long as the way it was set up, a portion of the funds involved were sent directly to the COPYRIGHT HOLDER of the material on the "hub" (not to the record label, or anyone else, but in checks that would compare to the amount the artist would have made themselves if that number of singles had been sold)
March 29, 200421 yr PsychoBud']OR, if you were a musician, who due to lack of record sales, couldn't take time off from touring to write, compose, and practice/publish any new songs, if you wanted to make enough money to get to the point you could produce your own records and promote your own concerts, so you didn't have to pay 95% of the income from your art to leeching managers, promoiters and producers? How long would your carreer last if you only got to put out ONE popular album, and had to make enough off of touring that ONE album (just touring, not off the album itself) to provide enough money to YOU that you could afford for the whole band to take off six months or a year to compose new material, then have enough left over to get the wheels rolling on the NEXT album, just so you could tour off THAT one long enough to do it again? (the days of the multimillion dollar rock star would be over, for damned certain) I see your point, except musicians make most their big dollars touring, not off record sales. The big businesses are going after p2p because it is them losing the most money, not the artists themselves.
March 29, 200421 yr I agree entirely with that...however record sales (and obviously this ONLY applies to music) is what allows musicians to advertise the tours, get the songs popular enough to ensure attendance to the concerts, and to "pay the bills" hile they're producing the NEXT record so they can go on tour again to make their "real money" But...what about authors? What about the coders who work on a game "on spec"? (or any other program) Actors who work for a percentage of gross? Screenwriters who work the same way? Any other CREATIVE person involved in the process of producing the product, whose income relies on the product being SOLD, not just being made? I mean fuck the nuts and bolts people who make huge money bbecause they manage to get into the "building" portion of a buisness that only exists because of the efforts and ingenuity of creative minds...no problem, as far as I'm concerned, someone who owns a record studio shouldn't get any richer than someone who owns a...auto mechanic's shop, for instance..or anything else that you make your living at because you have technical knowledge of a not-too-esoteric nature, that pretty much ANY goon could learn to do. But the CREATIVE folks who actually put together new stuff for us to enjoy deserve to be recognized...and even to get rich...because they have something that not just any idiot can do.
March 29, 200421 yr If the music industry didn't put out so much crap, p2p wouldn't be an issue. As it stands right now, the most common reason anyone download's a mp3 off any p2p program is because they simply want the one or two good songs they like, and don't want to have to buy the entire cd. These people wouldn't have bought the cd anyways, and most try to get to a concert of thier favorite bands. I'm so fucking sick of groups like the RIAA that believe if p2p was to go p00f then their record sales would instantly go up. Wrong assholes, your record sales suck because the cd's that are coming out generally blow shit. Movies on the other hand are a different case. You don't pay 20 bucks to see 15 movies, you buy them for a 1 to 1. People that pirate movies by downloading them off a p2p have every right to go to jail. People that go to the movies, see the movie of their choice then go home and download it off p2p shouldn't have anything to fear, as you've already paid to see it. Pirateing software by downloading the ISO off a torrent would fall under the "You're fucking screwed" bill. There isn't a sole reason why you would download a game that would make it legal. However software such as NO-CD cracks, CD emulation and such are legal because they offer enhanced features for people with the cd.
March 29, 200421 yr wooooohooooooo one more step closer to a dictatorship under Bush II, USA sounding more like USSA each time a law like this is passed. Jails are gonna start filling up with geeks who wouldnt even hurt a fly.
March 29, 200421 yr I'm sure all of us here have enough illegal shit on our comps to get ourselves locked up (that's if you life in the fucking US.) So yeah, they'll never stop it. They'll never stop me from sharing. I mean, i would feel sorry for the good artists if i download their music causing them to lose a lot of money; but like some in this thread said, they get like a buck out of every album sold. I dont feel sorry for Bill Gates however, when I pirate WinXP.
March 30, 200421 yr Why do u even care. Drugs have been illegal for many decades and a pre-teen can easily get ahold of them. Even if this law is followed through it wont take much effort to bypass it. oh and blocky is a dumbass candian :poke:
March 30, 200421 yr P2P is one thing, but this is another.. Court Opens Door To Searches Without Warrants NEW ORLEANS -- It's a groundbreaking court decision that legal experts say will affect everyone: Police officers in Louisiana no longer need a search or arrest warrant to conduct a search of your home or business. http://www.theneworleanschannel.com/news/2953483/detail.html
March 30, 200421 yr just like the smoking ban in ny, the us is supposed to be a country of freedoms but the government is taking them away left and right. just come to canada EH?
March 30, 200421 yr P2P is one thing, but this is another.. Court Opens Door To Searches Without Warrants NEW ORLEANS -- It's a groundbreaking court decision that legal experts say will affect everyone: Police officers in Louisiana no longer need a search or arrest warrant to conduct a search of your home or business. http://www.theneworleanschannel.com/news/2953483/detail.html You know...You could set up some type of system on your computer to automatically erase your hard drive incase of a security breach (i.e. teh POLICE) when you're not home. Like if it's tampered with, have sp0rkeh auto execute or have some type of huge ass magnet open up and corrupt your hard-drives or detonate your HD's with M80's ...make you sure you have backups of everything hidden somewhere. Countermeasures....better than going to jail and getting fucked up the ass by a big black man named Zeus. :kkkd:
March 30, 200421 yr the whole I'm ignorant and dont live in the u.s. is getting over rated. the u.s. owns everyone else so you will all follow soon enough, especially dick ass canada.
March 30, 200421 yr our government is trying as hard as they can to up the THC content in the government produced marijuana your government is trying as hard as it can to take away all of your personal freedoms and privacy laws we're not fucking following suit, we're going in the right direction enjoy your dictatorship addiction heil bush
March 30, 200421 yr I only buy CDs of artists I enjoy. I became a fan of thier music from p2p. Some of the songs I have are older music that would be a bitch to try and find. Fuck that!
