http://www.bushflash.com/animation.html, fuck knows if this stuff is true but its really woke me up to whats going on.. I think you should watch and if you say you don't give a fuck your arrogant.

You my son, have started a flame war. But on the other hand I agree with that site, Bush is complete shit along with his administration. I love my country, but hate and fear my government.

i dont know what the fuck that is and i really do not care

http://www.bushflash.com/animation.html, fuck knows if this stuff is true but its really woke me up to whats going on.. I think you should watch and if you say you don't give a fuck your arrogant.

 

Wow.. that song is really horrible. I mean, so horrible it rivals G-Unit's lyrics. And the site is pretty much just "BUSH BAD!!" The reasons given are ambiguous at best and he uses "facts" that are unsubstantiated and flat wrong in one (of the two I watched).

http://www.bushflash.com/animation.html, fuck knows if this stuff is true but its really woke me up to whats going on.. I think you should watch and if you say you don't give a fuck your arrogant.

stupid propaganda.

 

[sarcasm]some random website AND nofx says its true so it must be!!![/sarcasm]

never seen anything fucking gayer in my entire life.

if anyone has the track played in this Flash movie, send it to me

 

link: http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

what about the "Your Tax Dollars at Work" flash? That was pretty cool.

tree huggin hippie crap

Seen this site many times. Pretty popular site linked to from many other web sites.

people have too much free time, fucking hippies

http://www.bushflash.com/animation.html, fuck knows if this stuff is true but its really woke me up to whats going on.. I think you should watch and if you say you don't give a fuck your arrogant.

 

 

2 questions chief.

 

1. How can you let completely one sided information and statistics "open your eyes"? The sad part is that they were closed in the first place. The fact that you chose this one extremely far to the left website to open them scares me, how about facts, not just out of context facts and leftist opinions?

 

2. How would not giving a fuck make us arrogant? Not looking at extremely biased information wouldn't make any of us have inflated notions of our own importance, it would, on the other hand, show wisdom on our part.

 

Ok I lied, maybe a third question......

 

3. What would you do to do a better job? Presently we're stuck with a president who lossed the election by a half a million votes and we can't really do too much to change his policies, but you're lucky we have a crazy bastard as our president because whether you would like to agree or not, rag had scumbags are much less likely to pull off 9/11's with that dubya has done. (homeland security, patriot act)

 

 

Instead of pointing out a nifty little website full of anti bush propaganda and taking it upon yourself to besmirch the worth of anyone refusing to see it (like myself), maybe you should read reputable sources and form your OWN opinions. I'm definitely not one to stick up for the conservatives but I have to stand up for free thinking and against slanted information. Information that's too slanted is what causes vicious autocratic governments, which no one really likes.

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Oh, and being the local grammar nazi, learn how to correctly use the word "your". (I'll give your shit-for-brains self a hint, your doesn't mean you are, you're does) SIE MUESSEN GRAMMATIK LERNEN.

FAK3R']never seen anything fucking gayer in my entire life.

EyeReesh']you're lucky we have a crazy bastard as our president because whether you would like to agree or not' date=' rag had scumbags are much less likely to pull off 9/11's with that dubya has done. (homeland security, patriot act)[/quote']

 

Marginal national security improvements will be made insignificant by the hostility Bush is engendering. Seriously, we are going to be paying for his presidency with terrorist attacks for decades. I usually agree with you, but shit, Bush has done everything he can to turn a terrorist organization into a fucking grassroots terrorist movement. He also makes baby Jesus cry.

Marginal national security improvements will be made insignificant by the hostility Bush is engendering. Seriously, we are going to be paying for his presidency with terrorist attacks for decades. I usually agree with you, but shit, Bush has done everything he can to turn a terrorist organization into a fucking grassroots terrorist movement. He also makes baby Jesus cry.

 

If you ever thought that the Arabs didn't hate us, you were sadly mistaken. They have hated us ever since the 1700's because we are (drum roll please) predominately Christian!

 

PS - Bush makes Allah cry, not Jesus.

http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html :boink:

 

Hooray for deformed babies

Marginal national security improvements will be made insignificant by the hostility Bush is engendering. Seriously, we are going to be paying for his presidency with terrorist attacks for decades. I usually agree with you, but shit, Bush has done everything he can to turn a terrorist organization into a fucking grassroots terrorist movement. He also makes baby Jesus cry.

 

Insightful comment, but lets ponder this:

The hostility exhibited by bush towards Al-Qieada was not present pre-september 11th, 2001. What happened?

 

A HUGE FUCKING ATTACK.

 

Let's measure the outcome in terms of motive and means, first the motive: Destroying an entire countries government (Afghanistan's taliban) which was just a puppet for Saudi Interests in training psychopaths to carry out highly complicated terrorist attacks on a large scale isn't the most morale boosting situation. Imagine this. Someone bombs every major recruit training base in America, killing not only recruits but the highly skilled professionals training them. Where and how do you start over? For the Al-Qieada, the answer might have been in Iraq until we went in and destroyed THAT government too. All in all, what we are doing in the middle east is making it MUCH more difficult to adequetly train the brainwashed camel jockies willing to blow theirselves to pieces in the name of a monotheistic complex called Islam.

 

Secondly, the means. You need certain things to carry out a terrorist mission. One of those things is accessable central leadership, which Al-Qieada's cell system still relies on to an extent. Another thing is money. One way to get that money was the opium trade which the taliban and Al-Qieada were deeply involved in. When one resource becomes unavailable or more scarce, you need another. Perhaps Saddam's oil? You decide. Much more importantly, in order to INFILTRATE a country, you need to target a bunch of stupid white people who let nearly anyone in their borders (America pre 9/11) and you can't have their intelligence orginazations too worried about you (again, America 9/11). If you are an islamic extremist, and you somehow manage to get in the country, when you're taking flight lessons people won't just sit back and wonder why you're only interested in flight, and neither takeoff nor landing. Post 9/11 America isn't the easiest place in which to plan and carry out a major terrorist attack.

 

If sitting back and not being aggressive with a people who think blowing yourself up to allah is sexy doesn't work before a large terrorist attack, it sure as hell is not going to work after one.

 

I'm kind of scared that you think appeasement will somehow help our situation.

 

Here's my (final)solution: Lock our borders to anyone who is from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Sudan, Qatar (our "allies"), palestine, Pakistan, and any other country that has a bunch of people wearing turbans and who want to take the world back to the 1100s. Anywhere where the government is specifically designed to oppress it's own people, anywhere where the amount of literate people are greatly outnumbered by people who know how to operate a rocket propelled grenade launcher. If another terrorist attack comes from ANY of these countries, use intelligence to track down any country possibly involved and blow it to shit, annex it after the fires go out, and call the region New Texas.

EyeReesh']Insightful comment, but lets ponder this:

The hostility exhibited by bush towards Al-Qieada was not present pre-september 11th, 2001. What happened?

 

A HUGE FUCKING ATTACK.

 

Let's measure the outcome in terms of motive and means, first the motive: Destroying an entire countries government (Afghanistan's taliban) which was just a puppet for Saudi Interests in training psychopaths to carry out highly complicated terrorist attacks on a large scale isn't the most morale boosting situation. Imagine this. Someone bombs every major recruit training base in America, killing not only recruits but the highly skilled professionals training them. Where and how do you start over? For the Al-Qieada, the answer might have been in Iraq until we went in and destroyed THAT government too. All in all, what we are doing in the middle east is making it MUCH more difficult to adequetly train the brainwashed camel jockies willing to blow theirselves to pieces in the name of a monotheistic complex called Islam.

 

Secondly, the means. You need certain things to carry out a terrorist mission. One of those things is accessable central leadership, which Al-Qieada's cell system still relies on to an extent. Another thing is money. One way to get that money was the opium trade which the taliban and Al-Qieada were deeply involved in. When one resource becomes unavailable or more scarce, you need another. Perhaps Saddam's oil? You decide. Much more importantly, in order to INFILTRATE a country, you need to target a bunch of stupid white people who let nearly anyone in their borders (America pre 9/11) and you can't have their intelligence orginazations too worried about you (again, America 9/11). If you are an islamic extremist, and you somehow manage to get in the country, when you're taking flight lessons people won't just sit back and wonder why you're only interested in flight, and neither takeoff nor landing. Post 9/11 America isn't the easiest place in which to plan and carry out a major terrorist attack.

 

If sitting back and not being aggressive with a people who think blowing yourself up to allah is sexy doesn't work before a large terrorist attack, it sure as hell is not going to work after one.

 

I'm kind of scared that you think appeasement will somehow help our situation.

 

Here's my (final)solution: Lock our borders to anyone who is from Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Sudan, Qatar (our "allies"), palestine, Pakistan, and any other country that has a bunch of people wearing turbans and who want to take the world back to the 1100s. Anywhere where the government is specifically designed to oppress it's own people, anywhere where the amount of literate people are greatly outnumbered by people who know how to operate a rocket propelled grenade launcher. If another terrorist attack comes from ANY of these countries, use intelligence to track down any country possibly involved and blow it to shit, annex it after the fires go out, and call the region New Texas.

 

That changed my life, you made me realize not everybody in america is a total dumbass these days.

 

you > liberal fgts

While I'm glad I made an impression, it isn't really liberal idealism that isn't congruent with our actions in Iraq, rather I think it's just a mechanism to get them into power in the executive branch.

 

They just want a democratic president, I bet a lot of them believe in what we're doing but wouldn't applaud a republican president's actions for fear of ostricization from their own party.

 

I don't really think of myself as supportive of one blood sucking party or another, but I hope to god Kerry gets elected so we can do something with this economy and this god damned deficit staring our generation in the face while greedy senior citizens live in decadence, but that's a topic for a whole nother discussion.

EyeReesh']

but I hope to god Kerry gets elected so we can do something with this economy and this god damned deficit staring our generation in the face while greedy senior citizens live in decadence, but that's a topic for a whole nother discussion.

 

how is the president going to be able to do anything about the economy, its us, the consumers that make the real difference.

how is the president going to be able to do anything about the economy, its us, the consumers that make the real difference.

 

Not true at all. I know this is on a tangent to the thread, but here's my take on bush's policies on the economy.

 

First off, tax cuts mainly to the wealthy is not a very good way to revitalize the economy for one reason. Giving the VAST majority of cash to the top 1 percent socio-economic class is not going to give the middle class a very good opprotunity to spend this mystery cash. Giving people money who don't need it won't encourage more spending on a large enough scale to magically cause a rebound in the economy.

 

Second, as more and more jobs are outsourced to countries like India, more and more people LOSE their jobs in the united states, thus making it harder for these "consumers" of yours to spend cash, something they get from having a JOB. Who supports outsourcing jobs to third world countries to only benefit the tops of corporations? George W. Bush.

 

Third, what kind of people cannot understand the hardships endured by lower class people? REALLY FUCKING RICH PEOPLE. While both kerry and bush come from wealthy families, at least Kerry is willing to aknowledge people who haven't been born with a silver spoon in their mouth, and in Bush's case, an absent brain.

 

Yes, consumers do make a difference, but the president plays a strong role in allowing us to make a difference. If kerry's "10 million job" plan is legit, he has my vote. Vote GOP for graft war and recession.

The upper class people get more back because they pay more in taxes, im nowhere near rich, but ever since bush came to office, i been getting quite a bit of money back, and if he benefits me hell yes im going to vote for him.

About creating 10 million jobs for americans like Kerry proposes, thats good, but i really dont see any lack of job oppertunities, even here in Tucson, Az where immigrnts (and illegals) are flooding in everyday, taking jobs. Basically if you want a job here, you can get one.

EyeReesh']When one resource becomes unavailable or more scarce' date=' you need another. Perhaps Saddam's oil?[/quote']

 

Totally out of the question. Iraq was a secular state, and Bin Laden and Hussein despised each other. One of Bush's selling tactics for the Iraq war was to imply like crazy that there was a link between Iraq and 9-11, or Iraq and Al Qaeda. There was nothing there.

 

Of course, this says nothing about the Afghanistan war, because the Taliban were enablers of Al Qaeda. Just don't fall into the trap of enmeshing a secular dictator and a religious terrorist group because a link has been frantically implied in speech after speech.

 

EyeReesh']I'm kind of scared that you think appeasement will somehow help our situation.

 

If another terrorist attack comes from ANY of these countries, use intelligence to track down any country possibly involved and blow it to shit, annex it after the fires go out, and call the region New Texas.

 

Here's my problem. I think violent escalation isn't a good option because we simply cannot fucking beat them. We can't get on top of them with less and less discriminate bombing. Every time a terrorist is killed five children of dead people bombed in their houses will volunteer.

 

I understand the temptation of bombing the shit out of five thousand square miles in which a hundred terrorists may be standing, but it's not a winning strategy to stop terrorism. On Free Republic you can read hordes of redneck military commentators saying shit like "Every time an American soldier is shot drop a nuclear bomb on the town after evacuating all personnel!!!!!!!!!" Because they're frustrated and stupid, and don't fucking get it. Shit like that is the absolute best way to radicalize and motivate relatively normal to fly planes into bulidings.

 

I think escalation in a bad idea because at some point everyone is going to have to face the fact that this is a war the United States does not have a chance in hell of winning in the long run.

Think a bit outside the box. Sure, us bombing them will cause unrest and may even cause more people to become terrorists, but these people will only be able to pull off petty little bus bombings and such.

 

Crippling one of the largest terrorist organizations in history is a HUGE step forward for our security.

 

Back to Iraq: It is known that Iraq was a safe haven for taliban and al qeada members as well as sympathizers. Saddam and Bin Laden both share their hatred for the U.S., and eventually WOULD have worked together whether you'd like to convince yourself or not. Saddam funded international terrorism, giving money to families of suicide bombings and who knows what else.

 

 

In conclusion, military response is the ONLY option for us. We can't just stand back and let shit happen to us without bombing shit up. How many major terrorist attacks have happened in America since 2001?

 

Zero. I rest my case.

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