Posted January 1, 200817 yr During my ban I have done many a contemplation and realization, and was able to come to an important conclusion regarding the existence of God. Long has the plague of Atheism been spreading through our Christian world to terrorize all humanity. I do agree, though, that there was good reason for it. How can we Christians really expect people to blindly believe in the stories from the Bible without any proper evidence of their occurrence? Well, I will now present to you not proof of Bible stories, but definite proof of the existence of God, which may help you to take up Christianity. Here is my logic: God as represented by Christians is a perfect, all-powerful being. Who is to say that this being exists, though? Well he is all-powerful, and if he does not exist, he will simply create himself. You might say, but he can't just create himself! Well, by the definition of an all-powerful being, he can create himself; he can do anything, even what cannot be done. It is somewhat of a difficult concept to grasp, and many of you are probably unwilling to accept it, but if you think about it you will realize that this argument is infallible and cannot be refuted. Therefore, God exists!
January 1, 200817 yr During my ban I have done many a contemplation and realization, and was able to come to an important conclusion regarding the existence of God. Long has the plague of Atheism been spreading through our Christian world to terrorize all humanity. I do agree, though, that there was good reason for it. How can we Christians really expect people to blindly believe in the stories from the Bible without any proper evidence of their occurrence? Well, I will now present to you not proof of Bible stories, but definite proof of the existence of God, which may help you to take up Christianity. Here is my logic: God as represented by Christians is a perfect, all-powerful being. Who is to say that this being exists, though? Well he is all-powerful, and if he does not exist, he will simply create himself. You might say, but he can't just create himself! Well, by the definition of an all-powerful being, he can create himself; he can do anything, even what cannot be done. It is somewhat of a difficult concept to grasp, and many of you are probably unwilling to accept it, but if you think about it you will realize that this argument is infallible and cannot be refuted. Therefore, God exists! that's very paradoxical, but i understand it. cool.
January 1, 200817 yr Flawed Logic: 1.) Can God commit suicide? No. Goes against his logic of sin, and if he's perfect, he is without sin and cannot sin. 2.) If a Christian God does exist, does he live in a place called heaven? Heaven is considered a paradise, a place without suffering, and if God exists in heaven, then he too cannot suffer. However he suffers when we suffer (and we all suffer, for instance when a loved one dies, when a family member is sent to Hell instead of Heaven etc.) therefore Heaven cannot exist, ruling out the idea of a Christian God or (other "good" souls that have passed on) existing in a utopic place such as Heaven or a place of eternal suffering a.k.a. Hell. 3.) If a god such as the Christian God is an omnipotent and omniscient being as explained, he cannot create or question something at which he can't himself answer or do, however if he's omnipotent then he should be able to do not only that but anything else. 4.) Based on Christianity, a Christian God cannot be benevolent, even if he's explained to be. If a Christian God loves all, then too he should also love non-believers, whether they choose not to believe or are simply ignorant of his existence. To banish those people to Hell because they do not believe would make God a person who plays favoritism to those who believe in him, when in fact he's believed to love everybody equally with unconditional kindness and care. Therefore, God cannot be Benevolent. 5.) God cannot be perfectly good. It's said we're given free will, yet what happens when things happen that are out of a person's control? What about the little girl who dies in a car crash after her parent's car gets sideswiped by a robber who was trying to escape a bank robbery? If god is omnipotent and omniscient, that means he would know ahead of time that she was going to die and he could save her from even getting in the accident in the first place, however he chooses not to help and she dies. Because of that, it would mean God is not perfect, as he is supposed to represent moral perfection, yet he chooses not to help those who are truly in need, therefore God = Evil. And he can be evil since he can do whatever he pleases, right? 6.) When Christians are questioned about the bible, they say "The book was written 2,000 years ago, certain things do not apply to modern times". Yet the Bible is considered the Word of God, which like God himself, transcends time whether it'd be past, present, or future. Also, even if translated into another language and some of it's meaning is lost in the context, God, being all-powerful as He is, could make the writings perfect, considering the fact that it IS his word. Christianity is just a false religion based on stories and the world's first hippie that was the coolest guy ever at that time. Try it yourself: If you are not a believer, and know that should God or Jesus appear in front of you that you'd believe in them 100%, simply pray for him to be there. If he doesn't show up, then, I'm sorry but you've been wasting your life believing in a bunch of fairytales written by old men and other clerics. BTW I'm not even Athiest, I'm a Universalist/Buddhist. I believe there's a higher power, but not the one explained in the bible, as the bible contradicts itself for the most part. Well he is all-powerful, and if he does not exist, he will simply create himself. You might say, but he can't just create himself! Well, by the definition of an all-powerful being, he can create himself; he can do anything, even what cannot be done. It is somewhat of a difficult concept to grasp, and many of you are probably unwilling to accept it, but if you think about it you will realize that this argument is infallible and cannot be refuted. Therefore, God exists! Nope, it defies the idea of God being the ONLY God, God cannot create another God even if he did not exist. However to make something exist when he himself does not exist would mean he would exist beforehand to make something exist therefore it defies the first sentence in this little paragraph, as he cannot create another all-powerful, all-knowing being as himself as there's no power that equals or rises above the power of his own (Otherwise Christianity would not be a Monotheistic religion).
January 1, 200817 yr theres an invisible pink unicorn that lives in my backyard too no i saw it. it was fun to ride :naughty:
January 1, 200817 yr John, there was no logic in that post. Proof is something tangible, which you have not provided.
January 1, 200817 yr Flawed Logic: 1.) Can God commit suicide? No. Goes against his logic of sin, and if he's perfect, he is without sin and cannot sin. 2.) If a Christian God does exist, does he live in a place called heaven? Heaven is considered a paradise, a place without suffering, and if God exists in heaven, then he too cannot suffer. However he suffers when we suffer (and we all suffer, for instance when a loved one dies, when a family member is sent to Hell instead of Heaven etc.) therefore Heaven cannot exist, ruling out the idea of a Christian God or (other "good" souls that have passed on) existing in a utopic place such as Heaven or a place of eternal suffering a.k.a. Hell. 3.) If a god such as the Christian God is an omnipotent and omniscient being as explained, he cannot create or question something at which he can't himself answer or do, however if he's omnipotent then he should be able to do not only that but anything else. 4.) Based on Christianity, a Christian God cannot be benevolent, even if he's explained to be. If a Christian God loves all, then too he should also love non-believers, whether they choose not to believe or are simply ignorant of his existence. To banish those people to Hell because they do not believe would make God a person who plays favoritism to those who believe in him, when in fact he's believed to love everybody equally with unconditional kindness and care. Therefore, God cannot be Benevolent. 5.) God cannot be perfectly good. It's said we're given free will, yet what happens when things happen that are out of a person's control? What about the little girl who dies in a car crash after her parent's car gets sideswiped by a robber who was trying to escape a bank robbery? If god is omnipotent and omniscient, that means he would know ahead of time that she was going to die and he could save her from even getting in the accident in the first place, however he chooses not to help and she dies. Because of that, it would mean God is not perfect, as he is supposed to represent moral perfection, yet he chooses not to help those who are truly in need, therefore God = Evil. And he can be evil since he can do whatever he pleases, right? 6.) When Christians are questioned about the bible, they say "The book was written 2,000 years ago, certain things do not apply to modern times". Yet the Bible is considered the Word of God, which like God himself, transcends time whether it'd be past, present, or future. Also, even if translated into another language and some of it's meaning is lost in the context, God, being all-powerful as He is, could make the writings perfect, considering the fact that it IS his word. Christianity is just a false religion based on stories and the world's first hippie that was the coolest guy ever at that time. Try it yourself: If you are not a believer, and know that should God or Jesus appear in front of you that you'd believe in them 100%, simply pray for him to be there. If he doesn't show up, then, I'm sorry but you've been wasting your life believing in a bunch of fairytales written by old men and other clerics. BTW I'm not even Athiest, I'm a Universalist/Buddhist. I believe there's a higher power, but not the one explained in the bible, as the bible contradicts itself for the most part. Nope, it defies the idea of God being the ONLY God, God cannot create another God even if he did not exist. However to make something exist when he himself does not exist would mean he would exist beforehand to make something exist therefore it defies the first sentence in this little paragraph, as he cannot create another all-powerful, all-knowing being as himself as there's no power that equals or rises above the power of his own (Otherwise Christianity would not be a Monotheistic religion). 1) Yes he can sin, but he chooses not to. 2) Incorrect, he doesn't 'suffer,' he is sad to see one of his created children make the decision to not accept him as their lord and savior. Think of it as you watching an animal die because it swam away from you and drowned. 3) All powerful means he can do absolutely anything he wants to do. There are no limits at all to what he is capable of. Understand that he created the process of thought. He created the ability to think. Of course he is able. 4) He does love everyone, even non-believers. But he is giving all a fair chance to believe. The punishment for sin is Death...and those who do not accept the fact that God sent his son to die for OUR sins, are still guilty of sin. There fore they must die, after having judgment passed they are sent to hell as punishment for said sin. 5) Ahh but you see God merely allowed it. The robber choose to sin and as a result HE killed that child. God gave us free will, it is our choice how we use it. It's satan that manipulates us to choose to be a theif and run from the cops killing the child. It's like an ant farm, you can't swoop in every time you see two ants fighting just because one might die. God is perfect in every way, he has a reason for everything. Just because you don't see it now doesn't mean there isn't a reason down the road. 6) The Bible is perfect, it DOES translate into modern times, and it DOES apply the same way today as it did 2,000 years ago. Who ever told you that was making an excuse, and shame on you for being so gullable. Just because we are Christian doesn't mean we don't still sin. Christianity is in fact not false, God does not need to prove himself to you or anyone. It will be you suffering for all eternity because of your ignorance. He is and continues to give you lots of chance to believe in what great thing he has done for YOU. I know he is real as I have seen him work in my life many times. And I am not saying you should believe now or else, I am merely defending my religion. as for the thing about God creating himself, he did not create himself. He has always existed. God can created another god but infact chooses not to. He created Satan who is the most powerful CREATED being. God lives outside the bounds of time, as he is the one created time. Everything we know, HE created. EVERYTHING. God is.
January 1, 200817 yr 1) Yes he can sin, but he chooses not to. 2) Incorrect, he doesn't 'suffer,' he is sad to see one of his created children make the decision to not accept him as their lord and savior. Think of it as you watching an animal die because it swam away from you and drowned. 3) All powerful means he can do absolutely anything he wants to do. There are no limits at all to what he is capable of. Understand that he created the process of thought. He created the ability to think. Of course he is able. 4) He does love everyone, even non-believers. But he is giving all a fair chance to believe. The punishment for sin is Death...and those who do not accept the fact that God sent his son to die for OUR sins, are still guilty of sin. There fore they must die, after having judgment passed they are sent to hell as punishment for said sin. 5) Ahh but you see God merely allowed it. The robber choose to sin and as a result HE killed that child. God gave us free will, it is our choice how we use it. It's satan that manipulates us to choose to be a theif and run from the cops killing the child. It's like an ant farm, you can't swoop in every time you see two ants fighting just because one might die. God is perfect in every way, he has a reason for everything. Just because you don't see it now doesn't mean there isn't a reason down the road. 6) The Bible is perfect, it DOES translate into modern times, and it DOES apply the same way today as it did 2,000 years ago. Who ever told you that was making an excuse, and shame on you for being so gullable. Just because we are Christian doesn't mean we don't still sin. Christianity is in fact not false, God does not need to prove himself to you or anyone. It will be you suffering for all eternity because of your ignorance. He is and continues to give you lots of chance to believe in what great thing he has done for YOU. I know he is real as I have seen him work in my life many times. And I am not saying you should believe now or else, I am merely defending my religion. as for the thing about God creating himself, he did not create himself. He has always existed. God can created another god but infact chooses not to. He created Satan who is the most powerful CREATED being. God lives outside the bounds of time, as he is the one created time. Everything we know, HE created. EVERYTHING. God is. 1) Saying he just 'chooses not to' is not acceptable as a reason. You don't know what god is thinking, so how can you speak for him? Explain why god would make the choice to not commit suicide. Clearly, any attempt to an explanation is doomed to fail while retaining the Christian concept of god, which is in the previous post. 2) Word manipulation. You will suffer when someone close to you dies. Even if you don't, others will suffer over other things. Even if other won't, others have in the past. My point is that people DO suffer, so god must suffer. Saying god is merely 'sad' isn't an acceptable rebuttal. Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not all powerful. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is not all loving. Is he both able and willing? Then evil shouldn't exist.
January 1, 200817 yr You blindly accept that there is a "god". Find real proof first. And thats how religions work, on faith. You cannot prove it. Therefor they cannot be proven wrong. lol ignorance
January 1, 200817 yr You blindly accept that there is a "god". Find real proof first. And thats how religions work, on faith. You cannot prove it. Therefor they cannot be proven wrong. lol ignorance flawless.
January 1, 200817 yr This mindset that there is a greater being that created and controls all things(especially destiny and the such) is very old and was created/started by humans of at least 5000 years ago. Most of the world has not evolved since then. Its about time we as a people of this planet put the final nail in the coffin of mythology and all things related to gods. I can turn coke to pepsi. I am your new Jesus. Hail me.
January 1, 200817 yr During my ban I have done many a contemplation and realization, and was able to come to an important conclusion regarding the existence of God. Long has the plague of Atheism been spreading through our Christian world to terrorize all humanity. I do agree, though, that there was good reason for it. How can we Christians really expect people to blindly believe in the stories from the Bible without any proper evidence of their occurrence? Well, I will now present to you not proof of Bible stories, but definite proof of the existence of God, which may help you to take up Christianity. Here is my logic: God as represented by Christians is a perfect, all-powerful being. Who is to say that this being exists, though? Well he is all-powerful, and if he does not exist, he will simply create himself. You might say, but he can't just create himself! Well, by the definition of an all-powerful being, he can create himself; he can do anything, even what cannot be done. It is somewhat of a difficult concept to grasp, and many of you are probably unwilling to accept it, but if you think about it you will realize that this argument is infallible and cannot be refuted. Therefore, God exists! This argument is not infallible. First of all, you're taking the position that a "God" exists, persay. Not the Muslim god, not the Christian god, a "God." You're taking a Deistic position. Secondly, by your definition, "God" created himself. However, you apply no logic or evidence to such a claim. This is an ultimate philosophical fail.
January 1, 200817 yr Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not all powerful. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is not all loving. Is he both able and willing? Then evil shouldn't exist. I always liked that quote by Epicurus.
January 1, 200817 yr 1) Saying he just 'chooses not to' is not acceptable as a reason. You don't know what god is thinking, so how can you speak for him? Explain why god would make the choice to not commit suicide. Clearly, any attempt to an explanation is doomed to fail while retaining the Christian concept of god, which is in the previous post. 2) Word manipulation. You will suffer when someone close to you dies. Even if you don't, others will suffer over other things. Even if other won't, others have in the past. My point is that people DO suffer, so god must suffer. Saying god is merely 'sad' isn't an acceptable rebuttal. Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not all powerful. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is not all loving. Is he both able and willing? Then evil shouldn't exist. Finally, someone who sees more into what I'm saying. Malum, I'm going to counter every last statement you said as to why Christianity could not be the "perfect" or "only" way to believe in anything, or even believe in God. 1) Yes he can sin, but he chooses not to. 2) Incorrect, he doesn't 'suffer,' he is sad to see one of his created children make the decision to not accept him as their lord and savior. Think of it as you watching an animal die because it swam away from you and drowned. 3) All powerful means he can do absolutely anything he wants to do. There are no limits at all to what he is capable of. Understand that he created the process of thought. He created the ability to think. Of course he is able. 4) He does love everyone, even non-believers. But he is giving all a fair chance to believe. The punishment for sin is Death...and those who do not accept the fact that God sent his son to die for OUR sins, are still guilty of sin. There fore they must die, after having judgment passed they are sent to hell as punishment for said sin. 5) Ahh but you see God merely allowed it. The robber choose to sin and as a result HE killed that child. God gave us free will, it is our choice how we use it. It's satan that manipulates us to choose to be a theif and run from the cops killing the child. It's like an ant farm, you can't swoop in every time you see two ants fighting just because one might die. God is perfect in every way, he has a reason for everything. Just because you don't see it now doesn't mean there isn't a reason down the road. 6) The Bible is perfect, it DOES translate into modern times, and it DOES apply the same way today as it did 2,000 years ago. Who ever told you that was making an excuse, and shame on you for being so gullable. Just because we are Christian doesn't mean we don't still sin. Christianity is in fact not false, God does not need to prove himself to you or anyone. It will be you suffering for all eternity because of your ignorance. He is and continues to give you lots of chance to believe in what great thing he has done for YOU. I know he is real as I have seen him work in my life many times. And I am not saying you should believe now or else, I am merely defending my religion. as for the thing about God creating himself, he did not create himself. He has always existed. God can created another god but infact chooses not to. He created Satan who is the most powerful CREATED being. God lives outside the bounds of time, as he is the one created time. Everything we know, HE created. EVERYTHING. God is. 1.) Of course, God can choose NOT to commit suicide OR sin. However for what reasons would he choose not to, just like leminnn stated in clearer wording? I bet I could tell you why. Because it goes against his concept of being a perfect, moral being, to commit sin would mean sin is acceptable in the first place, thus ruling out sin as a bad thing at all since God could do it and he represents "Perfection". Not to mention, if he could commit suicide he would thus cease to exist, therefore he CANNOT do that. 2.) I really don't want to refer you to a scripture as I have spent time studying this, being born to a Baptist Christian family. However, God does indeed suffer when his "children" suffer. Sadness is a form of suffering, as you've stated yourself in that explanation, and one cannot be sad in a place such as "Heaven", where it's a paradise of eternal BLISS (You might want to look up the word "bliss", as its definition would totally counteract what you said, just like leminnn pointed out). Don't believe me, look up the definition of "Heaven" and tell me what you'd get. 3.) Thus he cannot possibly make something to which he HIMSELF Cannot do. Like that old question, "Can God build a brick wall so high that HE HIMSELF cannot climb?" The answer would be NO, and if he could, it would mean that he COULD NOT climb that wall, therefore either way it would say he is NOT omnipotent (all-powerful). 4.) You've just stated that god plays favoritism, you're only proving my points. God punishes those who choose not to accept that fact by Death, while sparing those who do believe. That would mean he is NOT Benevolent (all-loving) 5.) Should God ALLOW something of that nature to happen, that means he would be immoral, and not perfect, therefore God = Evil. You're proving my points rather than counteract them. Also, the robber's free will impacts that of the child and/or her parents,as they did not choose to be in that situation. Therefore he could help her because he is not messing with her free will by saving her life, unless she herself chose to die at that exact moment. No matter for what reasons he may have, should he have any reasons to take ANYBODY's life would mean they would have no Free will, therefore God did not give us free will at all, right (Therefore, if we didn't have any free will then he could make us all believe in him, right? By the way, any stance you take on this question would deny God of giving us free will or him being all-powerful.)? 6.)No one told me that excuse, by using my OWN free will and the logic the "Christian" God gave me, let me ask you this: In the bible, it says a woman should be stoned to death for wearing silk, people should be put to death for working on the Sabbath Day (Sunday) and by all means Slavery is acceptable in the church as it is in the bible. Do those relate to modern time thinking, and do you believe that these are correct? (Don't believe me, I'll get the scriptures). The bible is the word of God, so does that mean these are morally correct? Last but not least, God in fact does NOT need to prove himself to any of us. However if he's all-powerful and all-knowing, he would know I was going to ask of him beforehand therefore I wouldn't even need to pray to him, or even ask him to come because he would know beforehand and simply show himself. It doesn't mess with free will, therefore he is by all means allowed to show himself to a current or future believer. Should he not show, that means he would again be immoral because he CHOOSES not to answer a simple calling, thus meaning God is not perfectly good, therefore meaning God = Evil. Do you see the circle? Also, God hasn't done anything for me at which I haven't put effort in for myself. Get it correct. and through leminnn's logic, I shall disprove the idea of a Christian God by repeating what he said and completing the circle, proving that he cannot be Omnipotent and Omniscient at the same time: Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not all powerful. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is not all loving. Is he both able and willing? Then evil shouldn't exist. If it does still exist, that would mean either 1.) He is not all-powerful to stop it, or 2.) He himself is evil as he chooses not to aid the Good. If he has the power to prevent evil, but does not know of it's existence or knows how to get rid of it, then he is not all-knowing. If he has the power to prevent evil, and is all-knowing and knows how to prevent it or rid evil from the world, then that means evil should not exist again, thus meaning he won't prevent it, thus making him evil or immoral. Your Christianity is very contradictory, almost to the point that it is VERY false.
January 1, 200817 yr Quoted from Malum 1) Yes he can sin, but he chooses not to. So the Christian "God" can create anything, including sin, but not come anywhere near it? Then your "God" is not all-powerful. 2) Incorrect, he doesn't 'suffer,' he is sad to see one of his created children make the decision to not accept him as their lord and savior. Think of it as you watching an animal die because it swam away from you and drowned. Your "God" creates humanity supposedly, but sends people to hell who have never heard of him. Before the 3rd century A.D. there is no way that people living in China would have known about Jesus or Yahweh. They lived under a Confucian and eventually Legalist and Daoist system. Christianity didn't make it there until the 4th century along the Silk Road trade route. Are you meaning to tell me then that all those people went to hell for merely not being able to hear about your "God?" 3) All powerful means he can do absolutely anything he wants to do. There are no limits at all to what he is capable of. Understand that he created the process of thought. He created the ability to think. Of course he is able. Again, but he is unable to be around sin for some reason. Hmmm... 4) He does love everyone, even non-believers. But he is giving all a fair chance to believe. The punishment for sin is Death...and those who do not accept the fact that God sent his son to die for OUR sins, are still guilty of sin. There fore they must die, after having judgment passed they are sent to hell as punishment for said sin. Everyone dies, even believers. And if he was an all-forgiving and loving "God," then he'd realize that sending someone to hell forever is a complete contradiction to that statement. 5) Ahh but you see God merely allowed it. The robber choose to sin and as a result HE killed that child. God gave us free will, it is our choice how we use it. It's satan that manipulates us to choose to be a theif and run from the cops killing the child. It's like an ant farm, you can't swoop in every time you see two ants fighting just because one might die. God is perfect in every way, he has a reason for everything. Just because you don't see it now doesn't mean there isn't a reason down the road. "God" has a reason for everything, or does Christianity simply make up reasons for "him?" 6) The Bible is perfect, it DOES translate into modern times, and it DOES apply the same way today as it did 2,000 years ago. Who ever told you that was making an excuse, and shame on you for being so gullable. Just because we are Christian doesn't mean we don't still sin. I would take that statement back as there are many problems with the source material taken into context of when it was written. Whatever preacher told you that bullshit must have relied upon your gullibility as well. The Bible itself was a construct of the Council of Nicaea, a Byzantine council convened by Constantine to pick and choose the books of the Bible and the beliefs of Christianity. Christianity is in fact not false, God does not need to prove himself to you or anyone. It will be you suffering for all eternity because of your ignorance. He is and continues to give you lots of chance to believe in what great thing he has done for YOU. I know he is real as I have seen him work in my life many times. And I am not saying you should believe now or else, I am merely defending my religion. If your "God" sends me to hell for simply not believing in his existence because he refused to show any fucking proof, then fuck him. I'd rather burn in hell. Besides, answer me this: who killed more people in the Bible, Satan or Yahweh? as for the thing about God creating himself, he did not create himself. He has always existed. God can created another god but infact chooses not to. He created Satan who is the most powerful CREATED being. God lives outside the bounds of time, as he is the one created time. Everything we know, HE created. EVERYTHING. God is. Now you're just using the same apologetic crap I've heard time and time again. Using this argument, I can give creedence to any bullshit "God" ever created by the human mind (including yours, mind you).
January 1, 200817 yr he? If god is realy that powerfull. "He" would have a penis, and a vagina. "he" could then fuck himself
January 1, 200817 yr Real proof that there is no god. http://youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o Edit: Great thread though, lot of good reading in here.
January 1, 200817 yr he? If god is realy that powerfull. "He" would have a penis, and a vagina. "he" could then fuck himself Again, good question. If man is made after "God" himself, then why would it need a cock and balls? The real question is was man made in God's image, or was God made in mans'?
January 1, 200817 yr Again, good question. If man is made after "God" himself, then why would it need a cock and balls? The real question is was man made in God's image, or was God made in mans'? You're still thinking like the church has told you to. You blindly accept that there is a god. That is the problem.
January 1, 200817 yr The real question is was man made in God's image, or was God made in mans'? exactly.
January 1, 200817 yr You're still thinking like the church has told you to. You blindly accept that there is a god. That is the problem. I'm Agnostic dumbshit, so why I are you telling me this?
January 1, 200817 yr I'm Agnostic dumbshit, so why I are you telling me this? lol, label yourself like the religious kind. you sir, are the dumbshit
