if there is no sort of higher power and when we die we just go in the ground and thats it, then please explain to me how the world came to be...and dont fuckin say science because science wouldnt have even existed if it wasnt created at first

 

there IS a higher power, but who or what is it?, we know him/her/it as God

 

its just that there are SO many religions now, that barely anyone believes in any of them anymore

  RickAstley said:

I never ruled out the possibility that the God I believe in is incorrect. I only stated that through my experience I believe that a higher power does exist and that I believe that the higher power is my God.

 

To completely ignore all possibilities is ignorant. Don't flame me because you guys are close-minded.

 

OBVIOUSLY THIS IS RC BTW

 

I don't ignore all possibilities but I'm failing to see how you justify it as one particular "God." If you believe in a "God," yet define it as to one religion just because it sounds good to you, then YOU are the close minded one.

  Shantt said:

if there is no sort of higher power and when we die we just go in the ground and thats it, then please explain to me how the world came to be...and dont fuckin say science because science wouldnt have even existed if it wasnt created at first

 

there IS a higher power, but who or what is it?, we know him/her/it as God

 

its just that there are SO many religions now, that barely anyone believes in any of them anymore

 

Who ever said we came from nothing? Time is a human construct and our universe has a beginning from others.

 

Besides, science has proven life can come from non-life. Look up the Miller-Urey experiment dumbass.

 

Now get your troll ass out of here.

  skankuser1 said:

I don't ignore all possibilities but I'm failing to see how you justify it as one particular "God." If you believe in a "God," yet define it as to one religion just because it sounds good to you, then YOU are the close minded one.

 

I never defined myself as being of one specific religion.

 

What I believe is that there is one God who sent his son, Jesus, to die for my sins. The broad term for this belief is Christianity, which encompasses many different religions. I think that people argue too much about the little things and don't focus enough on the larger picture.

 

Just because I believe in this doesn't make it right. I think I'm right, but that doesn't mean I'm right. I know there is a possibility I am wrong, but I don't think I'm wrong.

  RickAstley said:

I never defined myself as being of one specific religion.

 

What I believe is that there is one God who sent his son, Jesus, to die for my sins. The broad term for this belief is Christianity, which encompasses many different religions. I think that people argue too much about the little things and don't focus enough on the larger picture.

 

Just because I believe in this doesn't make it right. I think I'm right, but that doesn't mean I'm right. I know there is a possibility I am wrong, but I don't think I'm wrong.

 

No, Christianity is a religion that encompasses many different denominations, but the fact remains that there were many religions that predated it.

 

The question remains how you still justify that belief when there are so many logical, historical, and scientific holes associated with this religion.

 

Trust me, you're wrong.

  skankuser1 said:

No, Christianity is a religion that encompasses many different denominations, but the fact remains that there were many religions that predated it.

 

The question remains how you still justify that belief when there are so many logical, historical, and scientific holes associated with this religion.

 

I think you are a very confused person. I don't see what you are trying to prove. I see you attacking other people about their beliefs and not sharing many of your own. If you are so correct, then please give me a theory about everything that contains no holes.

 

Not easy is it? The only way for a theory to have no holes is if you have existed since the beginning of time and were able to witness all the happenings of the universe.

 

Go ahead and point out the holes of Christianity and I will do my best to explain them how I believe.

 

  skankuser1 said:

Trust me, you're wrong.

 

Typical atheist bullshit.

  skankuser1 said:

Who ever said we came from nothing? Time is a human construct and our universe has a beginning from others.

 

Besides, science has proven life can come from non-life. Look up the Miller-Urey experiment dumbass.

 

Now get your troll ass out of here.

 

science couldn't have created something that was never there if the thing that was there never created what has been created now. think about it faggot

  RickAstley said:

I think you are a very confused person. I don't see what you are trying to prove. I see you attacking other people about their beliefs and not sharing many of your own. If you are so correct, then please give me a theory about everything that contains no holes.

 

Not easy is it? The only way for a theory to have no holes is if you have existed since the beginning of time and were able to witness all the happenings of the universe.

 

Go ahead and point out the holes of Christianity and I will do my best to explain them how I believe.

 

 

 

Typical atheist bullshit.

 

I'm agnostic. I was a Christian for 14 years and began to notice holes in it. Of course the Christian church either prescribes that the Bible is inerrant or that it's only "Satan," but really? The Bible was constructed by men and arranged by them too. Evolution has a lot more evidence going for it than anything in the Bible does.

 

Tell me...

Where's the evidence for the Exodus ever happening?

How do you fit 10 billion species Noah's god damned Ark?

How did Joshua supposedly stop the sun from spinning in orbit when it's the earth that orbits the sun?

How does Christianity explain the paradox of free will and Peter being prophecized of disobeying Jesus? There would be no free will then.

 

That's just some of them. Again, I'm agnostic you dumbass. I'm just sick of Christianity ruining a country when our founding fathers fought so hard to keep it out its policies.

  Shantt said:

science couldn't have created something that was never there if the thing that was there never created what has been created now. think about it faggot

 

Science isn't a being you retard, it's a human process of understanding the universe around us. Science never created anything. Score one for your stupidity and lack of understanding on that one.

 

If you're going to use that argument, then you must ask the question of what created "God." It's a circular argument you're using.

  skankuser1 said:

Tell me...

Where's the evidence for the Exodus ever happening?

How do you fit 10 billion species Noah's god damned Ark?

How did Joshua supposedly stop the sun from spinning in orbit when it's the earth that orbits the sun?

 

The Bible is basically people's interpretation of events that happened. Obviously in the case of the Joshua thing, the people of that period did not actually know that the Earth orbits the Sun. They believed that they must be the center of the universe, thus everything revolved around the Earth. The Old Testament is a tricky subject because it really isn't possible to discern whether they are just stories or actual events because it happened so long ago with little to no evidence that they ever happened. I think the Old Testament is true to some extent, but to what extent that is I have no idea. I don't actually think the Noah story happened as written. You have to take what is written in the Bible with a grain of salt. To be honest, I'm really not a large fan of the Bible. The one thing it is pretty good for is teaching morals, but even then there are some contradictions

 

How does Christianity explain the paradox of free will and Peter being prophecized of disobeying Jesus? There would be no free will then.

 

God knows what choices we are going to make before we make them. However, this does not mean that He makes the choices for us. If we did not have free will, then God would always make the correct choice for us. As you can tell, we do not always make the correct choices. God simply knows us so well that he knows what choices we are going to make.

 

Answers in bold

 

  skankuser1 said:

Again, I'm agnostic you dumbass.

 

People generally take you more seriously if you don't insult them. Just a tip for future discussion.

  Omnious said:

Nope, it defies the idea of God being the ONLY God, God cannot create another God even if he did not exist. However to make something exist when he himself does not exist would mean he would exist beforehand to make something exist therefore it defies the first sentence in this little paragraph, as he cannot create another all-powerful, all-knowing being as himself as there's no power that equals or rises above the power of his own (Otherwise Christianity would not be a Monotheistic religion).

 

Exactly what i was going to write.

  RickAstley said:

The Bible is basically people's interpretation of events that happened. Obviously in the case of the Joshua thing, the people of that period did not actually know that the Earth orbits the Sun. They believed that they must be the center of the universe, thus everything revolved around the Earth. The Old Testament is a tricky subject because it really isn't possible to discern whether they are just stories or actual events because it happened so long ago with little to no evidence that they ever happened. I think the Old Testament is true to some extent, but to what extent that is I have no idea. I don't actually think the Noah story happened as written. You have to take what is written in the Bible with a grain of salt. To be honest, I'm really not a large fan of the Bible. The one thing it is pretty good for is teaching morals, but even then there are some contradictions

 

So why are we dependent on a contradictory book that Christians say is inspired by a perfect "God," yet are confused by these murky details? If it was inspired by "God," and humanity is dependent upon this book to save them from the bowels of hell that Yahweh himself sets up, then why is he not fixing these errors in these books? You say that about the Old Testament but the same can be said for the New Testament. The Gospels contradict themselves repeatedly.

 

  RickAstley said:

God knows what choices we are going to make before we make them. However, this does not mean that He makes the choices for us. If we did not have free will, then God would always make the correct choice for us. As you can tell, we do not always make the correct choices. God simply knows us so well that he knows what choices we are going to make.

 

That is illogical. If a "God" who knows everything knows what is coming ahead of time, then he knows what choices are available. Not only that, this "God" would know which choice the person would choose in the end, thus negating "free will." It would be predestined. If your "God" allowed free will, then he would placing restrictions on his own actions which is illogical in itself.

 

  RickAstley said:

People generally take you more seriously if you don't insult them. Just a tip for future discussion.

 

You're on the myg0t forums, you do know that right?

  themassacre said:

Exactly what i was going to write.

 

It isn't the idea that it's pitting monotheism against polytheism or anything, it's just showing that it illogical to say "God must have been the beginning."

  skankuser1 said:

So why are we dependent on a contradictory book that Christians say is inspired by a perfect "God," yet are confused by these murky details? If it was inspired by "God," and humanity is dependent upon this book to save them from the bowels of hell that Yahweh himself sets up, then why is he not fixing these errors in these books? You say that about the Old Testament but the same can be said for the New Testament. The Gospels contradict themselves repeatedly.

 

As I said, the Bible was written by man and interpreted by men who could have and probably did have ulterior motives. God did not write the Bible that we know. It is impossible to discern which parts are true and which parts are untrue

 

  skankuser1 said:

That is illogical. If a "God" who knows everything knows what is coming ahead of time, then he knows what choices are available. Not only that, this "God" would know which choice the person would choose in the end, thus negating "free will." It would be predestined. If your "God" allowed free will, then he would placing restrictions on his own actions which is illogical in itself.

 

Think about this. You have a friend who you know extremely well who is given a choice. You knew what his choice was going to be before he made it, so does that mean he doesn't have free will? He could have made the other choice if he wanted to, but you knew he wasn't going to do it because you know him. God knows us in this same way.

 

  skankuser1 said:

You're on the myg0t forums, you do know that right?

 

Do you know that? myg0t is about rage not about insulting other forum members.

  RickAstley said:

As I said, the Bible was written by man and interpreted by men who could have and probably did have ulterior motives. God did not write the Bible that we know. It is impossible to discern which parts are true and which parts are untrue

 

Then what makes the Bible anymore legitimate than any other religious text on the face of the Earth? Better yet, what makes Christianity any more legitimate than any other religion on the face of the Earth? Christianity claims the truth, yet you concede this? Why follow the Bible at all? Without it, there would be so Christianity, Judaism, or even Islam.

 

  RickAstley said:

Think about this. You have a friend who you know extremely well who is given a choice. You knew what his choice was going to be before he made it, so does that mean he doesn't have free will? He could have made the other choice if he wanted to, but you knew he wasn't going to do it because you know him. God knows us in this same way.

 

No, if the predicament was that I set up the situation before hand because if I know that a human being was set to make a decision, then there wouldn't be free will.

 

  RickAstley said:

Do you know that? myg0t is about rage not about insulting other forum members.

 

You haven't been in myg0t long I see.

  skankuser1 said:

You haven't been in myg0t long I see.

 

Apparently you haven't because what happens on the forums generally has nothing to do with myg0t's mission. In fact very few myg0t members actually browse the public forums.

 

The fact of the matter is that if you want legitimate discussion, then you leave out the flames. If you want a flamewar, then you add in the flames.

 

  skankuser1 said:

Then what makes the Bible anymore legitimate than any other religious text on the face of the Earth? Better yet, what makes Christianity any more legitimate than any other religion on the face of the Earth? Christianity claims the truth, yet you concede this? Why follow the Bible at all? Without it, there would be so Christianity, Judaism, or even Islam.

 

There is actually some truth in the Bible.

 

 

  skankuser1 said:

No, if the predicament was that I set up the situation before hand because if I know that a human being was set to make a decision, then there wouldn't be free will.

 

The person is perfectly capable of making the other choice but they simply aren't going to, not because they are being forced to make the choice, but because of who they are.

  RickAstley said:

Apparently you haven't because what happens on the forums generally has nothing to do with myg0t's mission. In fact very few myg0t members actually browse the public forums.

 

Many do, just a lot of them do not comment.

 

  RickAstley said:

The fact of the matter is that if you want legitimate discussion, then you leave out the flames. If you want a flamewar, then you add in the flames.

 

My apology.

 

  RickAstley said:

There is actually some truth in the Bible.

 

Such as?

 

  RickAstley said:

The person is perfectly capable of making the other choice but they simply aren't going to, not because they are being forced to make the choice, but because of who they are.

 

I think you're missing the point entirely. If a "God" knows everything, then he will know WHICH DECISION that the person WILL PICK. It knows all the choices, but in the end knows the DECISION. Where are you not getting this?

  skankuser1 said:

Such as?

 

Jesus did actually exist is an easy example. There are many things in the Bible that are actually historically correct.

 

  skankuser1 said:

I think you're missing the point entirely. If a "God" knows everything, then he will know WHICH DECISION that the person WILL PICK. It knows all the choices, but in the end knows the DECISION. Where are you not getting this?

 

I don't think you understand the concept of free will in regards to religion.

  RickAstley said:

Jesus did actually exist is an easy example. There are many things in the Bible that are actually historically correct.

 

There are actually contemporary debates on Jesus' existence. It's not a clear yes or no.

 

  RickAstley said:

I don't think you understand the concept of free will in regards to religion.

 

I don't think you do. Free will is a direct contradiction to the belief that any "God" is omniscient.

I'm going to go ahead and award skank for having flawless logic.

  skankuser1 said:

I don't think you do. Free will is a direct contradiction to the believe that any "God" is omniscient.

 

Actually if it were a contradiction to anything it would be possible to omnipotence no omniscience.

 

God ultimately gives us the power to choose or reject everything, thus free will.

  RickAstley said:

Actually if it were a contradiction to anything it would be possible to omnipotence no omniscience.

 

Omnipotence is the ability to do anything. Omniscience is the ability to know everything. Where in the hell is a contradiction?

 

  RickAstley said:

God ultimately gives us the power to choose or reject everything, thus free will.

 

This, once again I say, "God" cannot be omniscient.

  skankuser1 said:

Omnipotence is the ability to do anything. Omniscience is the ability to know everything. Where in the hell is a contradiction?

 

"By choosing to create creatures with freewill, God has chosen to limit divine omnipotence."

  RickAstley said:

"By choosing to create creatures with freewill, God has chosen to limit divine omnipotence."

 

So "God" is omnipotent but instead invites to limits his own foreknowledge.

 

Dude, this is starting to sound silly on your part, I'm sorry.

  skankuser1 said:

So "God" is omnipotent but instead invites to limits his own foreknowledge.

 

Dude, this is starting to sound silly on your part, I'm sorry.

 

I was showing you the contradiction that you have mislabeled as being a part of omniscience.

 

As I stated before, you obviously don't understand these concepts. You are the one sounding silly man.