I was showing you the contradiction that you have mislabeled as being a part of omniscience.

 

As I stated before, you obviously don't understand these concepts. You are the one sounding silly man.

 

What? There was no contradiction, and if so, point it out.

 

Omniscient - having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things.

 

There's a definition, so my logic is clearly within the query defined.

What? There was no contradiction, and if so, point it out.

 

Omniscient - having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things.

 

There's a definition, so my logic is clearly within the query defined.

 

There is no contradiction in that definition. The possible contradiction is in the definition of Omnipotence.

 

"Omnipotence (literally, "all power") is power with no limits i.e. unlimited power. Monotheistic religions generally attribute omnipotence only to God."

 

In order for us to actually have free will God can't be completely Omnipotent because if he was we could not truly have free will. God would have to be able to have power over us, which he can't for us to have free will.

There is no contradiction in that definition. The possible contradiction is in the definition of Omnipotence.

 

"Omnipotence (literally, "all power") is power with no limits i.e. unlimited power. Monotheistic religions generally attribute omnipotence only to God."

 

In order for us to actually have free will God can't be completely Omnipotent because if he was we could not truly have free will. God would have to be able to have power over us, which he can't for us to have free will.

 

This has nothing with the ability of "God's" perceived ability to do anything but his knowledge of what OUR actions would be. If your "God" knows everything, then your "God" knows what our fates will be and there is no such thing as free will.

 

I don't think you ever clearly understood the topic.

This has nothing with the ability of "God's" perceived ability to do anything but his knowledge of what OUR actions would be. If your "God" knows everything, then your "God" knows what our fates will be and there is no such thing as free will.

 

I don't think you ever clearly understood the topic.

 

The fact of the matter there is no contradiction with omniscience. If you can't see that, then you don't understand the concepts. I'm done with this argument here because its pointless because it's obvious you are being thickheaded. If you have anything else, then go ahead and post it.

The fact of the matter there is no contradiction with omniscience. If you can't see that, then you don't understand the concepts. I'm done with this argument here because its pointless because it's obvious you are being thickheaded. If you have anything else, then go ahead and post it.

 

No, the problem is you can't properly fucking think.

 

Do I need to put it in bold?

 

1. Omniscience = the ability to know everything, PAST, PRESENT, OR FUTURE.

 

2. This means that God (if it exists) would know every decision that human beings make and the ones they do not make.

 

3. Therefore, there can be free will in the Christian sense as "God" would already know the choices made before they come to past.

No, the problem is you can't properly fucking think.

 

Do I need to put it in bold?

 

1. Omniscience = the ability to know everything, PAST, PRESENT, OR FUTURE.

 

2. This means that God (if it exists) would know every decision that human beings make and the ones they do not make.

 

3. Therefore, there can be free will in the Christian sense as "God" would already know the choices made before they come to past.

 

I know what omniscience is, and as I've told you I see no fucking contradiction and I've even given you a fucking example showing how the so-called contradiction is absolute bullshit. KNOWING WHAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO CHOOSE DOES NOT CONTRADICT FREE WILL. God knows what is going to happen because he knows what we are going to choose. That in no fucking way affects free will at all.

 

Argument over. I win.

I know what omniscience is, and as I've told you I see no fucking contradiction and I've even given you a fucking example showing how the so-called contradiction is absolute bullshit. KNOWING WHAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO CHOOSE DOES NOT CONTRADICT FREE WILL.

 

Argument over. I win.

 

The contradiction lies in that if "God" knows what you will do, then he already knows the decision being placed. Therefore, he would be a tyrant to send someone to hell because the action has already been predestined in "God's" mind

 

It doesn't take a genius to understand this. You gave me a piss-poor example where I showed how it was flawed.

Science isn't a being you retard, it's a human process of understanding the universe around us. Science never created anything. Score one for your stupidity and lack of understanding on that one.

 

If you're going to use that argument, then you must ask the question of what created "God." It's a circular argument you're using.

 

 

thats what im trying to get to you by what i said, what created God?

 

and i never said science is a being, a thing doesnt have to be human to create, take God for example hes not human and he created, and by the way im just going to refer to God as "he"

thats what im trying to get to you by what i said, what created God?

 

and i never said science is a being, a thing doesnt have to be human to create, take God for example hes not human and he created, and by the way im just going to refer to God as "he"

 

More than likely, the human imagination.

 

So "God" has a cock and balls.

 

I'm waiting for the evidence of "God" and how it's supposed to be the Judeo-Christian "God."

More than likely, the human imagination.

So "God" has a cock and balls.

 

I'm waiting for the evidence of "God" and how it's supposed to be the Judeo-Christian "God."

 

That brings us back to the start, now your saying that a higher power does not exist (Considering that higher power is God), so how did the world come to be?

 

I said im just going to refer him as he because its just easier, im not saying he is, we dont know

 

never said its the Judeo-Christian God, although in my religion i believe it is, but for the sake of this thread im not saying which God it would be, and evidence of God(higher power) would be the same place we started from, "How the world came to be"

That brings us back to the start, now your saying that a higher power does not exist (Considering that higher power is God), so how did the world come to be?

 

I never said a higher power does not exist. You have yet to define what "God" is so I'm taking it in the context that you hint at, which is most likely the Christian one. There maybe a higher power of some sorts but can't prove it exists so I ask, why worry?

 

I said im just going to refer him as he because its just easier, im not saying he is, we dont know

 

The Bible labels the Christian "God" as a "he" and even refers that he made man in his image. You DO adhere to the Christian belief system, correct?

 

never said its the Judeo-Christian God, although in my religion i believe it is, but for the sake of this thread im not saying which God it would be, and evidence of God(higher power) would be the same place we started from, "How the world came to be"

 

Even if you don't know, does that give you credence to make up ways it came to be? I usually go with the scientific viewpoint if you ask, seeing as there usually is a rational and evidential explanation.

I never said a higher power does not exist. You have yet to define what "God" is so I'm taking it in the context that you hint at, which is most likely the Christian one. There maybe a higher power of some sorts but can't prove it exists so I ask, why worry?

 

 

 

The Bible labels the Christian "God" as a "he" and even refers that he made man in his image. You DO adhere to the Christian belief system, correct?

 

 

 

Even if you don't know, does that give you credence to make up ways it came to be? I usually go with the scientific viewpoint if you ask, seeing as there usually is a rational and evidential explanation.

 

 

 

im defining God as a higher power

 

yes but the scientific way is way off, once you bring in the question of How was God created?, because then you can ask how was the thing that created God was created? and it goes on and on, unless God is all that ever existed from the beggining of everything then he would have created the whole idea of science.

 

but seriously no one (who is alive) will ever know...who knows maybe you end up in CS when you die?

im defining God as a higher power

 

yes but the scientific way is way off, once you bring in the question of How was God created?, because then you can ask how was the thing that created God was created? and it goes on and on, unless God is all that ever existed from the beggining of everything then he would have created the whole idea of science.

 

but seriously no one (who is alive) will ever know...who knows maybe you end up in CS when you die?

 

No it doesn't because you're assuming it was "God" that created it in the first place. The argument your using is showing how its impossible to use that argument when describing how some "God" created everything.

 

If you're going to argue for the existence of a "God," your best bet would be to argue it from a Deistic position.

you see I'm using the word God to describe a higher power and from what you have said I'm assuming that you believe in a higher power but you don't think that the higher power created everything that is now?

just an fyi...it wasn't 2 of each species... it was two of each type. Still a lot yes, but consider this....

 

Does it make any sense to take 2 adults of each animal that are near/towards the end of their reproducing lives? No! You'd take babies, so that when you finally do get off the Ark they're young adults...

 

 

just two cents. :-p

 

 

I was reading through and noticed someone mention the Ark to be impossible to fit all the species on it. It caught my eye, I didn't read everything so sorry if anyone already said that ^^^

just an fyi...it wasn't 2 of each species... it was two of each type. Still a lot yes, but consider this....

 

2 of each type? Each type is a species genius.

 

Does it make any sense to take 2 adults of each animal that are near/towards the end of their reproducing lives? No! You'd take babies, so that when you finally do get off the Ark they're young adults...

 

Oh yes, that makes perfect sense. Perfect since that most animals require the nurturing of a parental figure to survive, much less learn methods of survival.

 

I was reading through and noticed someone mention the Ark to be impossible to fit all the species on it. It caught my eye, I didn't read everything so sorry if anyone already said that ^^^

 

It pretty much is according to the dimensions the Bible gives.

 

Here's a link to a great website that shows every flaw with a global flood.

 

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

God chooses not to help because he chooses to test our faith in him. You may find if you guys actually read the bible.

God chooses not to help because he chooses to test our faith in him. You may find if you guys actually read the bible.

 

Thats the kind of bullshit that makes christians and many other religious types fail hard.

 

You've all been turned into sheeple.

Skank, you fucking win.

believe in God or not, there has to be SOMETHING after were dead i mean comon...we cant just rot away in our coffins like that, why is this whole world here in the first place? HOW was this whole world here in the first place?

Jesus did actually exist is an easy example. There are many things in the Bible that are actually historically correct.

 

ofcourse jesus existed, there have been billions of people on the earth, what the fuck makes you assume that we dont realise the fact that, due to the laws of probability, there will be some poor fuck called jesus. what we are saying is all he did was go insane and belive he was a demi god, not perform "miracles" in the name of "God".

ofcourse jesus existed, there have been billions of people on the earth, what the fuck makes you assume that we dont realise the fact that, due to the laws of probability, there will be some poor fuck called jesus. what we are saying is all he did was go insane and belive he was a demi god, not perform "miracles" in the name of "God".

 

You're an idiot.

God chooses not to help because he chooses to test our faith in him. You may find if you guys actually read the bible.

 

That would make god immoral. If he "chooses" not to help people who don't have faith in him for whatever reason, then he=evil, either that or the devil himself.

 

Also, why would a person even have faith in a deity that "chooses" not to help them to test "that" faith? There would be no point in having faith in a god who does not help his followers. So, blind faith in a deity who chooses NOT to help us is a smart thing to do, right?How could you even know of him, or even if he exists, if he chooses NOT to help? Also, if he chooses to help a small few while others have to basically struggle to "find" him, that would mean he plays favoritism yet again, making him even more immoral and evil.

 

I think if you actually thought about what the bible stated that you'd find that Christianity is not all true like people make it out to be.

ofcourse jesus existed, there have been billions of people on the earth, what the fuck makes you assume that we dont realise the fact that, due to the laws of probability, there will be some poor fuck called jesus. what we are saying is all he did was go insane and belive he was a demi god, not perform "miracles" in the name of "God".

 

you are wrong because, he would have done something to make every one else think that he acually isnt lieing about the demi God part, he didnt just get born one day and told people God sent him and he has magical powers, he actually DID something too actually make people believe that he actually is the Jesus we know of now not some crazy man

you are wrong because, he would have done something to make every one else think that he acually isnt lieing about the demi God part, he didnt just get born one day and told people God sent him and he has magical powers, he actually DID something too actually make people believe that he actually is the Jesus we know of now not some crazy man

 

If you look at the historical records, you'll find that a lot of the supposed miracles by Jesus were borrowed from pagan myths and legends.

 

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa1.htm