February 6, 200817 yr Quote SupYouFool;543949']Alright. So explain to me how Lot allowing his daughters to be gangraped to please the lord is not promoting violence to please the lord? If you actually knew the story you would know that his daughters didn't even get raped. I'm not going to answer such a terrible question.
February 6, 200817 yr Oh right because your Sunday Schools version of the thrice converted and then edited for young peoples bible says so. Oh well, you are just another religious tool that lacks critical thinking skills of the most basic variety. Can someone religious please formulate a scientific argument of why you believe in god and why you let those beliefs affect your everyday decision making?
February 6, 200817 yr Quote SupYouFool;543954']Oh right because your Sunday Schools version of the thrice converted and then edited for young peoples bible says so. Oh well' date=' you are just another religious tool that lacks critical thinking skills of the most basic variety. Can someone religious please formulate a scientific argument of why you believe in god and why you let those beliefs affect your everyday decision making?[/quote'] Can science prove to me that God doesn't exist? No. Can I prove to you that he does exist? No. Seriously, that is like saying "prove to me that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old." Sure there is evidence, but the only way to know is to have actually existed at the time. At the very least religion has a written record, which is better than what science can give you on most subjects. I let it affect my decision making because there are many good moral guidelines that exist in religion. The 10 commandments and the "golden rule" are some good examples. Why would you not want to attempt to follow that ruleset? (it is impossible to follow completely because people can't completely stop doing wrong)
February 6, 200817 yr If you are admitting that you would be immoral without the bible then you are just fucked up in the head, EOD. Also, you are now just bringing out what I like to call the argument from personal incredulity. You don't understand how dating mechanisms and chemistry works, so therefore it must not be true.
February 6, 200817 yr Quote SupYouFool;543959']If you are admitting that you would be immoral without the bible then you are just fucked up in the head' date=' EOD. Also, you are now just bringing out what I like to call the argument from personal incredulity. You don't understand how dating mechanisms and chemistry works, so therefore it must not be true.[/quote'] You asked how it affected my every day life and I posted how. Where the hell do you think society got many of its laws from? I do understand how dating works considering chemistry is a part of my major. You are an idiot if you think that science can't be wrong. I find it amusing when non-religious people resort to insults because they realize their points are absolutely terrible.
February 6, 200817 yr Alright. So you claim to be a scientist. Yet people who share your christian beliefs are holding back medical advances via stem cell research, and kill doctors in abortion clinics. Moderate religious tolerance creates a breeding ground for religious extremism, that is why it must be abolished. Religion is not compatible with logic or reason.
February 6, 200817 yr Quote SupYouFool;543963']Alright. So you claim to be a scientist. Yet people who share your christian beliefs are holding back medical advances via stem cell research' date=' and kill doctors in abortion clinics. Moderate religious tolerance creates a breeding ground for religious extremism, that is why it must be abolished. Religion is not compatible with logic or reason.[/quote'] It isn't only religious people who have problems with embryonic stem cell research. The gray area is what constitutes a living thing. Some people believe that a human embryo is a living thing, therefore killing it would be murder. You have to destroy the embryo to obtain the stem cells. You don't have to be religious to believe that destroying an embryo is murder. Obviously, these same people would have a problem with abortion. You are attributing extremist ideals as the result of religion, which is completely wrong. Sure, there are religious extremists who kill doctors who do abortions, but that doesn't mean all the extremists who do this are religious. Don't attribute extremism as the result of religion, because it can exist in any individual, regardless of personal experience. Religious persecution is just as wrong as racism. If you are intolerant towards religion, then you are the equivalent to a racist. I'm trying to figure out when it became trendy to be intolerant, because a few hundred years ago your words would have gotten you killed.
February 6, 200817 yr Russell_Crowe said: If you are intolerant towards religion, then you are the equivalent to a racist. I'm trying to figure out when it became trendy to be intolerant. Race generally doesn't dictate behavior. Beliefs do. If you are arguing that hating a black man is the same as hating a Christian man, then I could argue that you in fact are the racist one. I am intolerant of religion because it influences your behavior in an irrational manner. Quoting Sam Harris: Quote A belief is a lever that, once pulled, moves almost everything else in a person’s life. Are you a scientist? A liberal? A racist? These are merely species of belief in action. Your beliefs define your vision of the world; they dictate your behavior; they determine your emotional responses to other human beings. If you doubt this, consider how your experience would suddenly change if you came to believe one of the following propositions: 1. You have only two weeks to live. 2. You’ve just won a lottery prize of one hundred million dollars. 3. Aliens have implanted a receiver in your skull and are manipulating your thoughts.[...] Tell a devout Christian that his wife is cheating on him, or that frozen yogurt can make a man invisible, and he is likely to require as much evidence as anyone else, and to be persuaded only to the extent that you give it. Tell him that the book he keeps by his bed was written by an invisible deity who will punish him with fire for eternity if he fails to accept its every incredible claim about the universe, and he seems to require no evidence whatsoever.[...] If, after reading that, you still do not get the essence of my argument (did you even read my previous post I wonder?) then you are hopeless unfortunately.
February 6, 200817 yr Quote SupYouFool;543976']Race generally doesn't dictate behavior. Beliefs do. If you are arguing that hating a black man is the same as hating a Christian man' date=' then I could argue that you in fact are the racist one. I am intolerant of religion because it influences your behavior in an irrational manner.[/quote'] Personal experiences dictate behavior. We might as well stop living then! You are basically assuming that religion causes poor behavior. That is a pretty stupid assumption. How could you argue that I'm the racist one? Intolerance is intolerance regardless of who it's against.
February 6, 200817 yr Religion isn't personal experience. It comes out of old books, usually incorrectly translated many times over through the centuries. And your other two points, you obviously aren't even reading any content in my posts otherwise how could you even pose those questions?
February 6, 200817 yr Quote SupYouFool;543980']Religion isn't personal experience. Oh really? Then it shouldn't dictate behavior. Read a psychology book or something =/ I declare myself winner because your argument is one of the worst I've ever seen.
February 7, 200817 yr Russell_Crowe said: Oh really? Then it shouldn't dictate behavior. Read a psychology book or something =/ I declare myself winner because your argument is one of the worst I've ever seen. I disagree. Suppression of viewpoints, dogma, and other non-emotive reasons can be applied to this. I will agree though that feelings play an important stronghold of any religious faith. You're both right and wrong.
February 7, 200817 yr Speaking of Islam. Here is a nice site that sends out free Islam CDs. Get someone you hate put on the homeland security watch list haha https://www.shareislam.com/order/Free_CD.php?cpath=21
February 7, 200817 yr The Notorious Jeff said: Let's face it. If Islam didn't exist, we would have fewer terrorist attacks. Plus 9/11 wouldn't have happened. If I were president of the United States, I would ban the Koran. I would ban the veil. I would close all mosques. I would send all the Muzzies out of this country. They belong in Saudi Arabia or Iran or some other filthy Muslim shithole. They don't belong in either the United States, Canada, Israel or Europe. I only wished I had a time machine and killed Muhammad before he created this "religion." It is not a religion at all. Muslims started the chaos in the world. They hate us, they hate freedom, they even hate each other. Why are you assholes supporting these assholes? Stop putting gas into your cars. You're only helping these motherfuckers. We must develop alternative sources to oil like Chaim Ben Pesach said. You must join JTF http://jtf.org/forum_english/ Here is their forum. You can't register or post now because of the Jewish Black Sabbath. You obviously don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Islam was created before Muhammed.
February 7, 200817 yr Russell_Crowe said: Idiots would find something else to kill each other over. Without religion, evil individuals would still find ways to manipulate people for their deeds. The best thing about most religion is that it teaches young people morals. It is also a mechanism for people to gather and get to know one another. Even if you don't believe in Christianity, you can't deny that churches don't attempt teach young children morals. The biggest problem is that they lose focus on those children once they become teenagers (all focus is generally lost after they are confirmed). I believe that is why so many people lose faith around that age. I would also just like to point out that most of the ridiculous rules set in the Old Testament were pretty much abolished with the coming of Jesus in the New Testament. Also, some of those Old Testament rules should not be taken literally (i.e. eye for an eye tooth for a tooth). P.S. the Qu'ran does not promote violence. Many Islams are actually very peaceful people. Fuck morals, I'm jerking off as i read this thread and forcing my dog have sex with my hamster. Plus Mohamed married plus took his wife to bed when she was 9 :o
February 15, 200817 yr James_Earl_Jew said: Are you fucking kidding me? I read some news articles, or on wikipedia or some shit about girls in Australia getting raped by muslim fucks simply because "they were asking for it for dressing like that". I.e, they weren't wearing a blanket over their entire body so they're sluts & are asking to get gang raped. muslims do have a point there, cant argue that... even though i dislike them
February 15, 200817 yr Author Quote Methodize;544155']You obviously don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Islam was created before Muhammed. I think you are wrong. Islam was created during the 7th century during Muhammed's lifetime. You are obviously out of line, pal.
February 16, 200817 yr Quote Methodize;544155']Islam was created before Muhammed. :thinker: That's historically incorrect...
February 17, 200817 yr The religions aren't the problem, both cristianity and the muslim religion are both based on good deeds, even if the koran indeed have some extreme and unfair rules that especially effects women. The problem is that there's so many idiots in this world, who missunderstands the true meaning of their religion.. due to many reasons, i'd say brain washing is the biggest issue when it comes to religeous conflicts. Remember that some certian people use religion to scare the masses, and controll them, so religions works perfectly as coverup's and something to hide behind so you don't have to take the blame. Personaly i respect people for what they belive in, as long as they do good things in life.
