Posted November 3, 200816 yr please let me know of any flaws or shit with this build if there are any. i dont want to spend much more money than this ASUS 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model DRW-2014L1T - Retail Item #: N82E16827135156 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135156 XCLIO A380BK Fully Black High Gloss Finish SECC 1.0mm thickness ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811103010 Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073 Hanns·G HW-191APB Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 700:1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254023 EVGA 512-P3-N874-AR GeForce 9800 GTX+ Superclocked Edition 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130385 Creative Sound Blaster SB0570 Audigy SE 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102002 CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139006 CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145197 ASUS P5N-D LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 750i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131232 Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz 2 x 4MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Quad-Core Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134 $1,281.88 like the thread title says this is going to be my first build. im still running a piece of shit dell from 2001 that i pretty much just do internet on. looking into getting back into gaming(with sc2, gow2 on their way) any help or input on this would be appreicated. +/- rep will be distributed depending on the maturity of your posts. thank you =)
November 3, 200816 yr What do you plan on using it for? If you only use it for schoolwork, downloading shit, gaming, etc. then it isn't worth getting a quad core. It would be better to look into an E8500 dual core in that case. Also, do you plan on overclocking? The Q6600 is only good if you plan on overclocking it since you can get it up to 3.0 Ghz with default voltage with relative ease. If you don't want to mess with overclocking, then look into the Q8200 for affordability or the Q9300 as the step up with more overclocking ability and slightly higher clock speed, but again not all that cost effective compared to the Q8200 if you don't plan to overclock. ATI is whooping Nvidia's ass when it comes to price/performance right now, but it also depends on what games you plan on playing. I would suggest that you search for benchmarks on the games you plan on playing to get the best video card for you. Without knowing what games you plan on playing I would suggest you go with a Radeon 4000 series card. If you do that, then I would look into a P35 or an X38 chipset (if you are willing to spend a little more). That power supply is okay but I would look into PC Power and Cooling because they simply make the best power supplies out there. For example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703009
November 3, 200816 yr Author As for the processor yes i plan to over clock it somewhere down the line. I don't mind the price im paying for that anyways. After I buy this i probably wont be looking at getting a new rig for at least 10 years except minor upgrades. Im mainly getting this so Ill be able to run starcraft 2, cod 4/5, gears 2. And to run the games i currently play without choppiness and lag(warcraft/cs. To tell you the truth I don't really know much about the differences between different boards and cards etc. I pretty much just selected the items within my price range that were compatible with each other and had good ratings. I guess I dont really know/care about that benchmark shit either I just want it to run higher end games- i don't need 500fps at max settings Edited November 3, 200816 yr by RetardMaster
November 3, 200816 yr RetardMaster said: As for the processor yes i plan to over clock it somewhere down the line. I don't mind the price im paying for that anyways. After I buy this i probably wont be looking at getting a new rig for at least 10 years except minor upgrades. Im mainly getting this so Ill be able to run starcraft 2, cod 4/5, gears 2. And to run the games i currently play without choppiness and lag(warcraft/cs. To tell you the truth I don't really know much about the differences between different boards and cards etc. I pretty much just selected the items within my price range that were compatible with each other and had good ratings. I guess I dont really know/care about that benchmark shit either I just want it to run higher end games- i don't need 500fps at max settings Go with the biggest and baddest hardware you can find. And don't listen to Russell, he's poor.
November 3, 200816 yr RetardMaster said: As for the processor yes i plan to over clock it somewhere down the line. I don't mind the price im paying for that anyways. After I buy this i probably wont be looking at getting a new rig for at least 10 years except minor upgrades. Im mainly getting this so Ill be able to run starcraft 2, cod 4/5, gears 2. And to run the games i currently play without choppiness and lag(warcraft/cs. To tell you the truth I don't really know much about the differences between different boards and cards etc. I pretty much just selected the items within my price range that were compatible with each other and had good ratings. I guess I dont really know/care about that benchmark shit either I just want it to run higher end games- i don't need 500fps at max settings Upgrading over time isn't a great idea. Compatibility with stuff changes a lot (such as motherboard pins). In fact, with the release of Nehalem Intel is going to require a new pin for processors. The new mobos will also only use DDR3 RAM. This means that if you have to upgrade your mobo, processor, or RAM then all three of them have to be upgraded. You would essentially be building a new computer anyway. If you really plan on just upgrading over time, then I would wait for Nehalem to be released and grab one of those so at least you will have something that will last for some time. As for the boards and card, you want what will give you the best performance for what you want to do. I gave you alternatives that are in the same price range that will take maybe 10-20 minutes of research to find out which is best. All the alternatives I gave you were in the price range comparable to the items you posted. You asked for some possible flaws in the build and I posted some that could be an issue. To me a flaw includes something that wont give optimal performance for the price.
November 3, 200816 yr Good hardware, but may I suggest that once you recieve your parts in the mail, throw them under cool water. This makes the last a lot longer without over-heating.
November 4, 200816 yr Russell_Crowe said: Upgrading over time isn't a great idea. Compatibility with stuff changes a lot (such as motherboard pins). In fact, with the release of Nehalem Intel is going to require a new pin for processors. The new mobos will also only use DDR3 RAM. This means that if you have to upgrade your mobo, processor, or RAM then all three of them have to be upgraded. You would essentially be building a new computer anyway. If you really plan on just upgrading over time, then I would wait for Nehalem to be released and grab one of those so at least you will have something that will last for some time. As for the boards and card, you want what will give you the best performance for what you want to do. I gave you alternatives that are in the same price range that will take maybe 10-20 minutes of research to find out which is best. All the alternatives I gave you were in the price range comparable to the items you posted. You asked for some possible flaws in the build and I posted some that could be an issue. To me a flaw includes something that wont give optimal performance for the price. Well, is Nehalem going to be worth it? For overclockers, AMD's Kuma and Deneb are definitely going to be worth it. Deneb will even have an AM2+ version. I think it's laughable that Intel is finally copying AMD's brilliant architecture.... albeit 5 years. I just hate how Intel snatched the throne when they finally made something decent over the past 10 years, yet the Intel fanboyism still continued. That is, Core 2 Duo. AMD was whooping Intel for 10 years with K62 and Athlon 64. Pentium D was a piece of shit, and Intel's quad cores aren't even real quad cores. FSB is outdated, and it's great that Intel finally realized that. However, when it comes to price, AMD is raping Intel.
November 4, 200816 yr turtles said: Good hardware, but may I suggest that once you recieve your parts in the mail, throw them under cool water. This makes the last a lot longer without over-heating. Waste of money. Buy Zalman heatsinks.
November 4, 200816 yr _ph0ne_ANGRI said: Well, is Nehalem going to be worth it? For overclockers, AMD's Kuma and Deneb are definitely going to be worth it. Deneb will even have an AM2+ version. I think it's laughable that Intel is finally copying AMD's brilliant architecture.... albeit 5 years. I just hate how Intel snatched the throne when they finally made something decent over the past 10 years, yet the Intel fanboyism still continued. That is, Core 2 Duo. AMD was whooping Intel for 10 years with K62 and Athlon 64. Pentium D was a piece of shit, and Intel's quad cores aren't even real quad cores. FSB is outdated, and it's great that Intel finally realized that. However, when it comes to price, AMD is raping Intel. AMD doesn't have the money to 1up Intel right now after they purchased ATI. Anything AMD releases in the next few years should be expected to be inferior to a corresponding Intel product. AMD is a year and a half behind Intel at this point. BTW, Intel didn't copy AMD's architecture. The only thing they copied was the IMC. Nothing AMD has released lately has been worth a shit for performance or overclocking. The Q6600 will equal or outperform anything AMD has on the market right now at the same price as the best AMD processor on the market. AMD isn't raping Intel on price... the Intel CPUs cost more but perform much better than anything AMD has on the market. The price/performance is actually equal or slightly better for Intel right now. The price is higher because the product performs better. The fact of the matter is that Intel has the ability to continue burying AMD for a very long time. The only chance AMD has is if Intel has another blunder like Netburst. I don't see that happening any time soon since I'm sure Netburst is fresh in the back of their minds. Edited November 4, 200816 yr by Russell_Crowe
November 5, 200816 yr Author well i ended up ordering pretty much that except some slightly different ram and the power supply you suggested. now hopefully ill be able to put it together:ugh:
November 5, 200816 yr yeah the build is pretty solid and should get you a good 3-4 years as it is with solid performance the downside is that while you might not have to replace EVERYTHING when you have to upgrade again, but more than likely you will have to replace most of it
November 5, 200816 yr Author Russell_Crowe said: yeah the build is pretty solid and should get you a good 3-4 years as it is with solid performance the downside is that while you might not have to replace EVERYTHING when you have to upgrade again, but more than likely you will have to replace most of it im not worried about that, chances are, 5 years from now i wont play games anymore
November 5, 200816 yr Russell_Crowe said: AMD doesn't have the money to 1up Intel right now after they purchased ATI. Anything AMD releases in the next few years should be expected to be inferior to a corresponding Intel product. AMD is a year and a half behind Intel at this point. BTW, Intel didn't copy AMD's architecture. The only thing they copied was the IMC. Nothing AMD has released lately has been worth a shit for performance or overclocking. The Q6600 will equal or outperform anything AMD has on the market right now at the same price as the best AMD processor on the market. AMD isn't raping Intel on price... the Intel CPUs cost more but perform much better than anything AMD has on the market. The price/performance is actually equal or slightly better for Intel right now. The price is higher because the product performs better. The fact of the matter is that Intel has the ability to continue burying AMD for a very long time. The only chance AMD has is if Intel has another blunder like Netburst. I don't see that happening any time soon since I'm sure Netburst is fresh in the back of their minds. The performance gain from going Intel isn't worth the price. Overclocking is unsafe. You have no concept of saving money, do you? AMD owns the mid-low ranged market. Intel IS copying AMD's HT technology and AMD's architecture. You're just a stupid fanboy that doesn't care about price. AMD's stock is rising and Intel's is staying the same. Have fun with your overpriced piece of shit Intel with the outdated Front Side Bus. The Q6600 is NOT for fucking gaming. C2D is the first good thing that Intel came up with in 10 years. Other than that, AMD's made all the innovations. And by the way, stop wasting your money on an expensive processor if you're gaming, and buy a good GPU instead. A 5200+ will handle physics fine. Fucking fanboy.
November 6, 200816 yr _ph0ne_ANGRI said: The performance gain from going Intel isn't worth the price. Overclocking is unsafe. You have no concept of saving money, do you? AMD owns the mid-low ranged market. Intel IS copying AMD's HT technology and AMD's architecture. You're just a stupid fanboy that doesn't care about price. AMD's stock is rising and Intel's is staying the same. Have fun with your overpriced piece of shit Intel with the outdated Front Side Bus. The Q6600 is NOT for fucking gaming. C2D is the first good thing that Intel came up with in 10 years. Other than that, AMD's made all the innovations. And by the way, stop wasting your money on an expensive processor if you're gaming, and buy a good GPU instead. A 5200+ will handle physics fine. Fucking fanboy. The irony is that you are the biggest AMD fanboy I've ever seen. I really don't think you have the right to call anyone a fanboy. It is pretty apparent you have not looked at the CPU charts recently and appear to know absolutely nothing about Intel. I've owned both AMD and Intel PCs. I did not like Intel for a very long time, especially after they released the Netburst CPUs. Those CPUs were overpriced pieces of shit and what AMD put out was a great product, thus I went with an AMD. After that point I was very skeptical of everything Intel released, however the facts for the core 2 duo CPUs came out and they ended up being magnificent pieces of hardware. I was a fan of the direction AMD was taking until they purchased ATI. After that point I saw a noticeable drop in the quality of the CPUs they were putting out on the market. At this point it is ignorant not to concede that Intel makes the better CPUs because the facts are out there. Overclocking isn't safe? lol yes that is true if you are BEING A FUCKING MORON. The Q6600 will overclock over 3.0 GHz without even increasing the stock voltage with stock cooling. With a cooling system installed you can push it in the upper 3s easy. It is one of the safest CPUs to overclock. This feature makes it EASILY better than any AMD CPU on the market. EASILY. You also seem to have no concept of price AND performance. The AMD CPUs are cheaper because THEY DO NOT PERFORM AS WELL AS INTEL CPUS. THIS DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE BETTER. This means INTEL CPUs OUTPERFORM THEM (notice the emphasis). The best AMD CPU out there right now is EQUIVALENT TO A CPU THAT INTEL RELEASED 1.5 YEARS AGO. Also, how the fuck is a $180 processor expensive? You're fucking stupid. Get out of here with that bullshit _ph0ne_ANGRI said: The Q6600 is NOT for fucking gaming. If you had actually read my first post you would know that I SAID THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING. Russell_Crowe said: What do you plan on using it for? If you only use it for schoolwork, downloading shit, gaming, etc. then it isn't worth getting a quad core. It would be better to look into an E8500 dual core in that case. OH SUP LOOK THERE IT IS. In summary you should read what I write and look at some CPU charts before you open your fat fucking mouth. You can find them at respectable sites such as tomshardware.com and anandtech.com. Now shut the fuck up you "fanboy."
November 6, 200816 yr Russell_Crowe said: The irony is that you are the biggest AMD fanboy I've ever seen. I really don't think you have the right to call anyone a fanboy. It is pretty apparent you have not looked at the CPU charts recently and appear to know absolutely nothing about Intel. I've owned both AMD and Intel PCs. I did not like Intel for a very long time, especially after they released the Netburst CPUs. Those CPUs were overpriced pieces of shit and what AMD put out was a great product, thus I went with an AMD. After that point I was very skeptical of everything Intel released, however the facts for the core 2 duo CPUs came out and they ended up being magnificent pieces of hardware. I was a fan of the direction AMD was taking until they purchased ATI. After that point I saw a noticeable drop in the quality of the CPUs they were putting out on the market. At this point it is ignorant not to concede that Intel makes the better CPUs because the facts are out there. Overclocking isn't safe? lol yes that is true if you are BEING A FUCKING MORON. The Q6600 will overclock over 3.0 GHz without even increasing the stock voltage with stock cooling. With a cooling system installed you can push it in the upper 3s easy. It is one of the safest CPUs to overclock. This feature makes it EASILY better than any AMD CPU on the market. EASILY. You also seem to have no concept of price AND performance. The AMD CPUs are cheaper because THEY DO NOT PERFORM AS WELL AS INTEL CPUS. THIS DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE BETTER. This means INTEL CPUs OUTPERFORM THEM (notice the emphasis). The best AMD CPU out there right now is EQUIVALENT TO A CPU THAT INTEL RELEASED 1.5 YEARS AGO. Also, how the fuck is a $180 processor expensive? You're fucking stupid. Get out of here with that bullshit If you had actually read my first post you would know that I SAID THE EXACT SAME FUCKING THING. OH SUP LOOK THERE IT IS. In summary you should read what I write and look at some CPU charts before you open your fat fucking mouth. You can find them at respectable sites such as tomshardware.com and anandtech.com. Now shut the fuck up you "fanboy." I never said that AMD processors performed better. AMD isn't attempting to make higher end processors. They already dominate the midrange. I only mentioned that the increase in performance by going Intel versus the price increase isn't worth it. Overclocking isn't safe. It voids your warranty and causes your system's life span to decrease, aswell as system instability. And FYI, I read CPU charts regularly. I am well informed of the better choice. The better choice for what I want to do is an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Brisbane. Couple that with an AM2 nForce 430 mobo, a 4670, a TT 430W PSU, and all the other crap, and my grand total after shipping is $420. For me, who wants a super-budget build, because not everyone has a billion dollars, can't do with a $190 CPU. ALSO, I'll probably building around Christmas, and by then the 6000+'s price would have gone down due to the new shit being released and whatnot. What a deal. Have a nice day. P.S. You're raged. Get the fuck off of myg0t's forums. Edited November 6, 200816 yr by [myg0t]ph0ne
November 6, 200816 yr _ph0ne_ANGRI said: I never said that AMD processors performed better. AMD isn't attempting to make higher end processors. They already dominate the midrange. I only mentioned that the increase in performance by going Intel versus the price increase isn't worth it. Overclocking isn't safe. It voids your warranty and causes your system's life span to decrease, aswell as system instability. And FYI, I read CPU charts regularly. I am well informed of the better choice. The better choice for what I want to do is an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Brisbane. Couple that with an AM2 nForce 430 mobo, a 4670, a TT 430W PSU, and all the other crap, and my grand total after shipping is $420. For me, who wants a super-budget build, because not everyone has a billion dollars, can't do with a $190 CPU. ALSO, I'll probably building around Christmas, and by then the 6000+'s price would have gone down due to the new shit being released and whatnot. What a deal. Have a nice day. P.S. You're raged. Get the fuck off of myg0t's forums. I may have been raged because you're an idiot and I've had a stressful day, but that still makes you an idiot. Enjoy purchasing your 3 year old technology.
November 6, 200816 yr Russell_Crowe said: I may have been raged because you're an idiot and I've had a stressful day, but that still makes you an idiot. Enjoy purchasing your 3 year old technology. You enjoying that dinosaur for a PC you're running?
November 6, 200816 yr Russell_Crowe said: I may have been raged because you're an idiot and I've had a stressful day, but that still makes you an idiot. Enjoy purchasing your 3 year old technology. I'm not an idiot. I just have a better concept of the value of a dollar.
November 6, 200816 yr _ph0ne_ANGRI said: I'm not an idiot. I just have a better concept of the value of a dollar. rofl, i think you mixed up being cheap with having concept of the value of money the best part is that you don't even see how terrible your argument is
November 7, 200816 yr Should of got the Antec Twelve Hundred Case. $160 (on a $55 discount) but the case is so fucking amazing. Great airflow, good fans, great size, great look. The case you bought is fine, but IMO it looks pretty cheap. The Corsair 750W TX was fine, but the one recommended was also fine. As for video card, you should of went with an ATI 4850 for $150 - $250 or a 4870 for $250 ($300 for 1 GB version)
November 8, 200816 yr Russell_Crowe said: rofl, i think you mixed up being cheap with having concept of the value of money the best part is that you don't even see how terrible your argument is You're not even acknowledging my argument. If I had unlimited funds, I would be going Intel. But I don't. You fail to recognize that. I'm not being cheap. I'm being aware of price:performance. You are not.
