Posted February 25, 200916 yr http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/668/gun682404868a429188a.jpg A gun. Well all of us in the Free Country know what the Second Amendment is and how hot the debate on it is. For the purpose of this thread, I will reproduce it here: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed. That is the actual text in its entirety. Now let's look at this in historical context. It was drafted with the Bill of Rights in 1789 in order to appease certain states so that they would ratify the constitution. This was at a time when day to day life in America was very different. For one, land invasion by foreign countries was still possible. Americans did not know if the British were going to try and start up the war again and send more soldiers over, or perhaps neighboring French and Spanish settlements would attack. On a more daily concern, farmers had to worry about Native American raiding their property, stealing their corn, and killing their pigs in retaliation against the usurpation of their land. http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/7707/bk001047.jpg Pillaging and Rape These problems are no longer a concern. Land invasion in North America and in most of the world is no longer possible. All the land is clearly settled and there is no risk of seizure, conquerors, or crusades. Yes there are places where there is concern, such as Israel and Georgia, but not in the US. Nobody is going to send ships over filled with soldiers to attack us. The Native Americans are quite less than hostile and are all rounded up into reservations. They are powerless and have no means or interest in raiding farms anymore. Just in case there is a threat we now have an organized (and well regulated) military so militias are no longer necessary; in fact they are prohibited. There is no reason for the Second Amendment to still exist because it has no applicability to today's society. None of the original concerns are still valid. Gun maniacs can not use it as a defense to keep their weapons because it is an outdated standard that needs to be repealed. And, yes, it can be done if another amendment is passed nullifying the old one. I call for all guns to be banned and only allowed use by law enforcement. All private manufacturing, ownership, and use of guns should be outlawed and prohibited. I hope you share my sentiments and can discuss this topic in a mature and adulterated manner. Edited February 25, 200916 yr by John_Winthrop
February 25, 200916 yr Free Country AHHGAHGHAHGHAGHAHGHAGHAHGHAGHAGHAHGHAGH more like neo-fascist country
February 25, 200916 yr Author Myriad;612086']AHHGAHGHAHGHAGHAHGHAGHAHGHAGHAGHAHGHAGH more like neo-fascist country Unfortunately for your claim, the US of A is not a single party state nor is it totalitarian or a dictatorship.
February 26, 200916 yr You're retarded what if government turns into a dictatorship or turns corrupt to where the people are being oppressed then what we take anal? Fuck that
February 26, 200916 yr You're retarded what if government turns into a dictatorship or turns corrupt to where the people are being oppressed then what we take anal? Fuck that People are already oppressed in this country. Go start a revolution and see how far you get.. -_-
February 26, 200916 yr People are too in to gun laws. I didn't read your essay, but the government isn't going to do anything your precious guns except possibly tax ammunition.
February 26, 200916 yr I've got a Winchester model 1894 30-30 it's a beautiful gun, good for killing Yankee carpetbaggers.
February 26, 200916 yr I think owning a weapon for self-defense is not only retarded...it is also sad. I really dont want to be living in a country where everyone needs a gun because they dont trust anyone else. I am a fan of target shooting and hunting though so making guns illegal wouldnt be too fun for that group. It is far too easy to get weapons here in America. They really need to fix that. I mean, FUCK! I had a harder time getting a fishing license in italy than getting a gun here in california. and also one more thing. FUCK GUN FANATICS.
February 26, 200916 yr Author You're retarded what if government turns into a dictatorship or turns corrupt to where the people are being oppressed then what we take anal? Fuck that It will not. And what if it does? You vs. entire army? Hahaha! Cadaver;612105']People are too in to gun laws. I didn't read your essay' date=' but the government isn't going to do anything your precious guns except possibly tax ammunition.[/quote'] You should read it, it's quite good. I took an anti-gun stance and just went with it. I think owning a weapon for self-defense is not only retarded...it is also sad. I really dont want to be living in a country where everyone needs a gun because they dont trust anyone else. I am a fan of target shooting and hunting though so making guns illegal wouldnt be too fun for that group. It is far too easy to get weapons here in America. They really need to fix that. I mean, FUCK! I had a harder time getting a fishing license in italy than getting a gun here in california. and also one more thing. FUCK GUN FANATICS. You make some great points. Quoted for factual significance.
February 26, 200916 yr I'm uncertain about whether outlawing firearms will really solve the problem here in the U.S. Odds are, the people who plan to use the guns for the purpose of harming someone will be able to acquire it in one way or another. Even if the 2nd amendment is overturned and guns are outlawed, it still won't change the fact that in urban regions such as here in Philadelphia, we'll see victims of gun violence coming into the ER on a nightly basis. Families who own guns legally aren't the ones who will be likely to commit assault or manslaughter. In the same respect, the ones who make a living out of crime will be able to obtain weapons in one way or another. So... I don't really know if overturning the right to carry arms will be all that useful from a practical perspective.
February 26, 200916 yr I'm uncertain about whether outlawing firearms will really solve the problem here in the U.S. Odds are, the people who plan to use the guns for the purpose of harming someone will be able to acquire it in one way or another. Even if the 2nd amendment is overturned and guns are outlawed, it still won't change the fact that in urban regions such as here in Philadelphia, we'll see victims of gun violence coming into the ER on a nightly basis. Families who own guns legally aren't the ones who will be likely to commit assault or manslaughter. In the same respect, the ones who make a living out of crime will be able to obtain weapons in one way or another. So... I don't really know if overturning the right to carry arms will be all that useful from a practical perspective. this is how bad the problem is, mexico is complaining about how loose our gun laws are because the drug cartels buy them here and sneak them back into mexico.
February 26, 200916 yr slayer;612119']this is how bad the problem is' date=' mexico is complaining about how loose our gun laws are because the drug cartels buy them here and sneak them back into mexico.[/quote'] Wow, I had no idea that was the case. To be honest, I'm not really that up to date on the whole gun control situation. All I know is that it pisses me off just how often I'm in the ER at night and there's people rushed in with a gunshot wound and multiple organ injuries. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised though. I think Jedi_Pimp posted a video on here a while back about how easy it was to obtain fully automatic weapons in Kentucky. I thought it was pretty ridiculous how they made it seem like you can practically own anything in that state.
February 26, 200916 yr Author I'm uncertain about whether outlawing firearms will really solve the problem here in the U.S. Odds are, the people who plan to use the guns for the purpose of harming someone will be able to acquire it in one way or another. Even if the 2nd amendment is overturned and guns are outlawed, it still won't change the fact that in urban regions such as here in Philadelphia, we'll see victims of gun violence coming into the ER on a nightly basis. Families who own guns legally aren't the ones who will be likely to commit assault or manslaughter. In the same respect, the ones who make a living out of crime will be able to obtain weapons in one way or another. So... I don't really know if overturning the right to carry arms will be all that useful from a practical perspective. Interesting article regarding legal gun owning families: http://www.southtownstar.com/news/brehm/1441650,022209brehm.article
February 26, 200916 yr http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-guns10-2008aug10,0,3497661.story More than 90% of guns seized at the border or after raids and shootings in Mexico have been traced to the United States, according to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
February 26, 200916 yr wow you guys are retarded. you guys are wrong. this is what it is intended for: <[myg0t]theMinkey> I TOUCHED A VAGINAS <[myg0t]theMinkey> WITH MY BEAR HANDS see, its for people like theMinkey who need to use their bear hands (arms)
February 26, 200916 yr wow you guys are retarded. you guys are wrong. this is what it is intended for: see, its for people like theMinkey who need to use their bear hands (arms) http://bp0.blogger.com/_L5at3X3kJdY/SGJBhjOCp7I/AAAAAAAAAPI/Zg8Q0_yT0IQ/s320/1_the_right_to_bear_arms.jpg
February 26, 200916 yr Cadaver;612140']http://bp0.blogger.com/_L5at3X3kJdY/SGJBhjOCp7I/AAAAAAAAAPI/Zg8Q0_yT0IQ/s320/1_the_right_to_bear_arms.jpg [10:43:52 PM] [~[myg0t]sp0rky]: !quote *bear*hand* [10:43:55 PM] [&g0tbot]: Quote: [+[myg0t]theminkey]: I TOUCHED A VAGINAS [+[myg0t]theminkey]: LAST NIGHT [+[myg0t]theminkey]: WITH MY BEAR HANDS
February 26, 200916 yr Cadaver;612140']http://bp0.blogger.com/_L5at3X3kJdY/SGJBhjOCp7I/AAAAAAAAAPI/Zg8Q0_yT0IQ/s320/1_the_right_to_bear_arms.jpg should be renamed to "theMinkey amendment" in memory of him.
February 26, 200916 yr The attitudes of young people today scare the hell out of me. We are becoming a socialist country. Yes, I own many firearms... Is it because I'm a survivalist planning on going to war with an invading force or a tyrannical government? No, it isn't... Self defense is part of the reason. Although I admit, it's unlikely that I will ever have to use it for that, and I hope I never do either. I mostly have them because it's a hobby of mine, it's fun to shoot, and it is my right to. If your argument was correct about the original intention, then it would have been a law... Not an amendment. They weren't stupid. They knew that we would be free from British oppression eventually and that weapon technology would evolve beyond the musket and it had already started to when they wrote it. Without using the argument that is absolutely true but overused... "criminals will still be able to get guns" which they will, but forget about that.. Even if there was a 100 percent fail-proof way to keep guns from coming into the country, what about the guns already here? 1 in 3 American households own at least one firearm, and there are about as many guns as there are people in America (300 million). So Mr, Hitler, when you come to my door asking me to turn them in and pretend like I am not gonna say I lost them all in a terrible boating accident. Say I did turn them in, what are you going to do to compensate me for unjustly confiscating my property that is valued at about 10,000 dollars? Let's estimate that out of 300 million guns, 275 million are lawfully owned (meaning compensation is deserved upon confiscation). And lets say the average firearm price is 550 dollars, (some cost less, some cost A LOT more.) The government now owes the citizens roughly $151,250,000,000 Looks like were gonna need another stimulus bill to pay these people back for property that you are stealing from them. Everything else is being socialised so what is another stimulus bill going to hurt anyway. We got ourselves in this mess with people spending and borrowing money that they didn't have and our method of getting out of it is to print over a trillion dollars that doesn't exist either. Don't worry, the messiah (obama) is going to save us all. Just don't forget to leave the house without your arm band. The criminals aren't going to turn their guns in, that is obvious. So really it's not about guns... It's about the other word in gun control. So why do you want to control people? It scares the hell out of me.
February 26, 200916 yr Nice one Miller. Yeah, we obviously can't take the guns away. That's too far of a stretch. However, you can make bullets a bigger pain in the ass to purchase. Let people buy their guns. I know many people who love to collect and I'm sure if I had more money, I might own a lot more. I know America is capable of creating a fucking mess of anything involving paperwork and I'm pretty sure that creating some sort of pre-requisite to buy bullets might help the current situation out. I don't know though, I'm not really educated on this subject. What do you think Miller? Would you be willing to sacrifice some time to pass some kind of test to be able to own and purchase ammunition? I understand that what I'm saying has many holes in it but you understand the basic idea. Let people own guns! Not bullets! If you need to defend yourself, buy some sort of non-lethal ammunition. rubber bullets?
February 26, 200916 yr They knew that we would be free from British oppression eventually and that weapon technology would evolve beyond the musket and it had already started to when they wrote it. :thinker:
February 26, 200916 yr The second amendment was added by certain states because they feared a dictatorship. After beating the King of England what a bitch it would be to fight the king of America? 1. Although people say people who own guns kill just look at the statics, most people who do the killings use illegal guns. 2. Those who do kill each other with legal guns tend to be ill-fit for a gun IE. children using there parents guns. This could be solved by simply separating the ammo from the firearm, or putting a trigger lock on the device. If you do not take those precautions then you are an irresponsible parent who is ill-fir for gun ownership. With great power comes great responsibility. 3.Someone talked about Mexican drug cartels buying guns from the US and sneaking them across the boarder? It is a citizens right to buy a gun there for you must be a citizen of the U.S to buy guns. You should produce information at the purchasing of the gun proving your a citizen. It might be a hassle but that is called national security. Having the system online is even better because then the goverment can track the weapons movements to see who selling what to whom. Also make stiff penalties for those who do not obey. Gun ownership is a right which should not be abused. 4. Ever more fear of nationalization is upon the US. As government more and more divulges into private affairs while accumulating debt, it is not hard to see the future. High taxes and little service is our future. As the government prepares a division of "civil protection" forces who will protect us? Already on border states people have resorted to defending there own property because of drug cartels and immigrants destroying there property. The border patrol is overwhelmed and the current administration has made no move to help the situation fearing losing votes to illegal-immigrate rights groups. Instead of reform they choose to ignore the problem. 5. These people need to not only defend themselves from the immigrants but also from the government because now the government is giving rights to illegal-immigrants who are hurt while trespassing and destroying property. They can even sue and win. The government has turned there back on them and now they are all alone. How long will they put up for this? How long until we are all in the same situation? Some people say a french civil war is on the way.
