Posted October 6, 200321 yr Got this from a hindu site, this goes really deep into quantom physics, ...... enjoy "what is the primal cause of causes ? the Brahma samhita says 'Isvara parama Krishna... ...sarva karana karanam.' which translates as ,the ultimate controller of the cosmos is Krishna, He is the Karana Karanam,the ultimate cause of all causes. the material 3 dimensional world (the 4th dimension is sometimes regarded as time) according to quantum physics is an illusion,at the basest level non mass wavelets of energy(quanta) are somehow tranforming into mass, or solidity, and manifesting this 3 dimensional reality. which is like a computer Virtual Reality , there the illusion of a real 3 dimensional world is created by the manipulation of Data creating a Virtual world that seems real(as the software gets better, the illusion of a VR world gets more real). the ultimate VR world is seen in the Star Trek T.V. show, they have the Holodeck, they can enter into a virtual reality chamber and a whole 3 dimensional world is created that is indistinguishable from the "real" world. So that is our situation, this 3 dimensional reality is a creation from a subtler dimension, the 5th dimension, that is the dimension of consciousness,in Fact WE exist in the 5th dimension, our ability to interact on the 3 dimensional reality is done through 3 dimensional bodies, and 3 dimensional stuff, or matter. just like if you want to enter a VR world, you need the proper equipment, then you log in and interact in that reality with an Avatar or virtual form. so in order for us to interact in the 3 dimensional world, our 5th dimensional BEING needs to take on an avatar(sanskrit for incarnation) or proper form . so the entire material cosmos is really in fact a virtual reality, being maintaned and controlled from another dimension, Physicists like David Bohm call this dimension the Sub quantum strata which is the Mainframe for our 3 dimensional reality, everything in this materal manifestation is a transformation of energy , this is accepted fact in the world of the quantum physicists, what that sub quantum energy is , is a great mystery to them. the Vedic literature calls that energy 'Brahman', it is infinite and has no beginning or end, ultimately philosophicaly speaking no other reality is possible. infinity must exist, if anything exists. in order for infinity to exist there must be something to define it's existence, nothing cannot exist infinitly, that is not possible, if anything exists then automatically the only absolute truth is that infinity must exist as well and something must be comprising the nature of infinity. That is the sub quantum strata or Brahman, an infinite changeless energy field of inconceivable quality. We are told that Brahman is the original substance, it was not created by a previous thing, it is the primal substance, logically SOMETHING had to be existing before anything else, if anything exists. so according to the Vedic literature Brahman is the origin, existing as a force field of infinite energy, because this energy has manifested order in the 3 dimensional reality we live in, Brahman must have not only consciousness, but also be energetic(able to control it's energy) and have intellect. so this is the Vedic concept, God exists as an infinite field of conscious energy with the ability to think, and control it's Self/energy. We are told that everything that exists in this world exists within the being of God,comprised of God's Self, at the same time God has created this 3 dimensional world and exists simultaneously in a higher dimension, as we do, the dimension of consciousness, the original dimension , the difference between god and ourselves is that we are tiny and partake of the nature of the infinite, whereas the infinite itself has an infinite power and ability that we only manifest in a infinitesimal way, the ability to think, create,manipulate, etc. We exist only in our bodies,god exists in infinity, having no end, also god has the ability to be fully conscious at any point in the infinite substance, without losing any fullness of consciousness and control any where else , god has the ability to interact at the same time in an infinite variety of ways anywhere and everywhere, without losing any concentration or focus. We can deduce this from looking at nature, the laws of nature are working perfectly, why should this be ? why doesn'y everything collapse into chaos, the second law of thermodynamics insists that is should, but it doesn't, nature is perfectly aligned and running smoothly, from Galaxies, to stars, to planets,to eco systems, it's all running perfectly, mathematically precise with such symettry and precision that any deviation in anything ,just a little, and things like the earth, the sun and galaxies, life as we know it, and everything else would not exist,could not exist. that is our situation, logically god must exist, be intelligent,and able to control the cosmos at the quantum level to the cosmic , anything else and their would only be ...nothing."
October 6, 200321 yr i skipped that load of crap. you want to know about life listen to rush limbaugh. can't go wrong with el rusho. ok i got curious and read some of it, looks like they ripped it from the philosopher Descartes or they have exactly the same views.
October 6, 200321 yr Let Down said: i skipped that load of crap. you want to know about life listen to rush limbaugh. can't go wrong with el rusho. If your life is based off of listening to Rush then you are one blind and dumb motherfucker.
October 7, 200321 yr Quote OldManPeterson']If your life is based off of listening to Rush then you are one blind and dumb motherfucker. stfu KTHX
October 7, 200321 yr The way I am known how the universe was created was the Big Bang theory, but the thing is. If the explosion occured, there had to be another force acting upon the explosion for everything to get momentum, so what exactly is the force that caused the explosion?? but I guess there are many ways to look how everything came to be, its just a mind boggling subject, I mean, can you imagine if nothing existed, the thing is you can't, no physical anything, no color, etc. so how do you picture that? It's just too crazy... It is said eventually black holes will be the last thing standing, and eventually they will swallow each other, and over a google years, which is like 10 to the 100th power or in long terms, 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years in long terms the black hole would evaporate releasing an atom at a time. So if a black hole, one that we currently know and approx size/weight well i dont know how you define size because the centerpiece is infinitely small and infinitely thin, so I guess, take the sun for instance, and imagine compacting that into the size of an atom along with 100's of other suns/red giants/etc, red giants are basically almost the size of our solar system alone, all of that compacted into the size of an atom, actually infinitely small, but just to give you an idea, but weightwise a blackhole that we know exists weighs, 10 to the 31st power, which is 100,000,,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pounds, in the size of an atom, that alone is just mind boggling, you cant even imagine that. But when you bring all of this other dimension shit in it, it just makes it even harder to understand. PS: Recently I think, i dont know if it has been proven but they say there is a super giant black hole in the center of each galaxy, I dont know if this has been accepted
October 7, 200321 yr doesnt there have to be a beggining to everything (god and theorys) i just cant understand where the material for the big bang came from and so on..
October 7, 200321 yr Author the big bang theory came out cuss people used powerfull telescopes, and since light takes time to travel, they are kinda able to see into the past, another reason to belive there was a big bang, of the rate how stars are moving away from eachother so it looks like that everything came out of a center, and now is expanding. The big bang doesnt really have to be the beginning of time, there can be multiplay big bangs creating many many universes. btw, yes I do belive in a god.
October 7, 200321 yr If you guys believe the Big Bang Theory, you have issues. That theory has been mathematically disproved countless times. It's only been used because evolutionists needed a base to show that the universe was not created. There are so many unanswered questions about the Big Bang its got more holes than swiss cheese. How did the matter get there in the first place? What caused the explosion? How could all the matter actually fit in so tiny a space? It's illogical and mathematically impossible. No one knows the actual volume of the universe because it hasn't all been seen by human eyes yet. I believe we never will see the entire universe. The only answer I've come up with is that a supreme being created the universe. Think about it. We didn't just appear out of nothing. Someone had to be here first, and made everything we know as the physical world. Evolutionists know in their own hearts and minds that it's phony. The main reason they believe it is so they have an excuse to do whatever they want free of moral detainment. That means they want to kill people and say the only absolute truth is that there is none, and since man is by himself and this life is all you get, they want to make their own laws and live life to the fullest. Well, at a very early age I realized that we didn't just appear out of nothing. Someone was here first. This may sound preacherish, but if you open the Bible you can find a LOT of answers to some questions about your life, origin of the universe, and whatever questions you may be bewildered about. If you want to know some answers, drop me a PM.
October 7, 200321 yr Not religious, don't believe in god... But when it comes down to it... quad u said there's a beginning to everything. I don't believe there is a human being that cannot be seen and has a greater value of oppurtunity over everyone. Also what made so called "God" he couldn't of just been there, I mean it's impossible you also said it yourself. The Big Bang theory is something that people can believe because it is more discriptive than the thought of "God made everything we see today". Bah but what do I know I'm almost 14 :no:
October 7, 200321 yr God is not human...we don't understand who he is, what he is, how he got there....we just know he's all-powerful and eternal. He calls himself in the Bible the Alpha and the Omega, The Beginning and The End, The First and the Last. He was there before everyone else, before everything period, there was God. I don't understand it, but that's how I know it's true, because any supreme being has an intelligence far superior to my own. God is also not physical in form (only in the form of Christ). The Big Bang more descriptive? "A big explosion created everything." Real descriptive. There's three chapters in Genesis that describe the creation. And in case any of you have any Biblical knowledge...there is a verse in Genesis 1 that says, "Let us make man in our own image..." That's referring to the trinity of God, which I'll tell you about if you want.
October 7, 200321 yr einsteins theory said that the universe is not infinite, and that it is sphearical. when light hits it, i reflects. could it be possible for earths light, from many years ago. reflect back at us. and somehow we see all of the stuff from past? could the universe be just somewhat nothingness beyond our galaxy? could it be just a wall. and another universe after it. NO BODY FUCKING KNOWS UNTIL SOMEONE GOES INTO A SPACE SHIP THAT GOES 123123123 LIGHTYEARS PER SECOND WE WILL NEVER FUCKING KNOW. BY THEN WE WILL ALL BE DEAD SO JUST WHO GIVES A FUCK?
October 7, 200321 yr "If your life is based off of listening to Rush then you are one blind and dumb motherfucker." your absolutely correct. But just for the sake of knowing, please tell me why?
October 8, 200321 yr masses of good points here people, nice to see youre all thinking, bar one. there are fuckloads of things that we can never understand, irrespective of everything. how can we, as humans, literally understand the beginning and end of time? think about it, its just not possible in our minds, just like infinity. sure you can think "yeah it goes on forever and stuff" but thats not exactly grasping an eternal understanding of the subject. there are so many theories, i believe in something greater than us for sure, God? maybe, probably, but something would have had to create this, or it was just always here, but thats another sticky subject, how could it always have been here? thats another thing that i for one will never understand. if there wasnt this, what is there? would it be like you are lacking all senses and just see nothing? i think zuzu's post is a pretty comprehensive read into this matter in one theory. i think there would probably have been something similar to the big bang at some point in time, but i doubt there was one and everything spawned from this one event, i mean, how could everything couldve begun in one explosion X years ago? this is just my opinion, it was nice to read some of yours.
October 8, 200321 yr I've always kind of wondered about evolution. Like how most living creatures on this planet have the same make up. That being, the head at the top with two eyes on the front middle, two ears on each opposite side right behind the eyes. Nose and nostril right below the eyes. One mouth below the nose. Then a neck, a body, two appendages being the legs and arms and obvoiusly genetalia in about the same area. I'm not only talking about humans and monkeys. Dogs, birds, and many other types of animals are formed this way too. Of course a difference in the make up of it. Like birds knees bend backwards but so do cats hind leg knees. Insects may have more legs but still have the eyes, ears and mouth arranged about the same. Basically most things are formed this way. The head, the body, the appendages. So it makes me wonder, is this concidence of evolution on this planet only? Lets say there is life on other planets, would they also follow suit on this form of evolution or would it be completely different. Who knows, they might have their heads where we have our asses. Which would actually be kind of funny...
October 8, 200321 yr I'm surprised noone has addressed the old paradox: If a god created the universe, what created god? Lately, I don't know what I am. I definately don't believe in God in the Christian, or any monotheistic sense. It's hard for me to buy into most of the things in religious texts. I don't believe God was the father of Jesus Christ, I don't believe that he proactively created the entire universe in a matter of a week, and I don't believe anything, or anyone, can be conscious of every thought, every action, every thing at once. I'd consider myself spiritual I guess. I think certain energies govern certain things, and a god can be a source of strength, not just a supernatural power. It's hard to explain. I gotta go, and the forums suck, but I'll be back to continue later.
